Bonn boycott — A bold reaction

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/pakistan-bows-out-of-key-conference-citing-deadly-us-raid/2011/11/29/gIQArrlx8N_story.html

**Pakistan bows out of key conference, citing deadly U.S. raid

**ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The latest U.S.-Pakistan crisis continued Tuesday to threaten the Obama administration’s strategy for gradually ending the war in Afghanistan, as the Islamabad government said it would boycott an upcoming international conference in Germany on Afghanistan’s future.

The Pakistani cabinet, after a meeting in the eastern city of Lahore, said in a statement that it supports “stability and peace in Afghanistan and the importance of an Afghan-led, Afghan-owned process of reconciliation and expressed the hope that the international community will reaffirm its support for peace and development in Afghanistan at the forthcoming Bonn Conference.”

But Pakistan, it said, had decided to bow out “in view of the developments and prevailing circumstances.”
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The decision came despite pleas from Afghan President Hamid Karzai to Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. According to an account provided by Gilani’s office, Karzai called Gilani and argued that a boycott of the conference, scheduled for Dec. 5, would not encourage peace in Afghanistan.

Gilani responded: “How could a country whose own sovereignty and territorial integrity was violated from the Afghan soil. . . play a constructive role?”

One Western official who spoke on the condition of anonymity called the boycott “very unfortunate,” adding, “Pakistan is taking itself from the table precisely when it should be contributing to a solution in Afghanistan.” Pakistan’s participation, and its cooperation in the winding-down of the war in Afghanistan, is important in large part because of the leverage it is believed to have over the Taliban.

**The move to shun the conference was made as two senior Pakistani military officers briefed local editors and commentators on the cross-border U.S. airstrike that killed at least 24 Pakistani soldiersearly Saturday. The officers reiterated Islamabad’s contention that coalition forces had ignored appeals by Pakistan for NATO helicopters to stop firing on its checkposts.

All Pakistani soldiers at the post, as well as the reinforcements sent to assist them, were uniformed, Maj. Gen. Ashfaq Nadeem, the director general of military operations, told reporters.

“All coordination procedures were violated,” he said. “At multiple levels in ISAF, it was known that they were attacking Pakistani posts, but they continued with impunity,” Nadeem said, according to one television network editor who was present.

Nadeem said the Pakistani military had concluded that the strike was an “attack of blatant aggression.”

**That assessment appeared to be becoming more widespread Tuesday in Pakistan, where newspaper editorials and street protesters, including members of an association of Pakistani truckers who carry supplies to NATO troops in Afghanistan, called for the nation to end its alliance with the United States.
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In Lahore, the top official of the opposition-led province of Punjab, Shahbaz Sharif, met with the wife of one of the soldiers killed in the airstrike. According to a statement from Sharif’s office, the widow, “despite being in a deep state of grief and sorrow, said, ‘Those we are fighting for are not our friends.’ ”

Obama administration officials did not respond Monday to Pakistani demands for an apology for the strike. Instead, they expressed condolences for the loss of life while saying that the facts about what happened were under investigation.

Both sides have said they believed they were attacking insurgents along the border Saturday when the strike was launched. A senior Pakistani defense official acknowledged Monday that Pakistani troops fired first, sending a flare, followed by mortar and machine-gun fire, toward what he said was “suspicious activity” in the brush-covered area below their high-altitude outpost barely 500 yards from the border.

According to Afghan security officials, their commandos were engaged with U.S. Special Operations troops in a nighttime raid against suspected Taliban insurgents when they came under cross-border fire and called in an airstrike.

Despite extensive coordination mechanisms set up to prevent such encounters, the U.S. military failed to respond to Pakistani alerts that its troops were being bombed, said the Pakistani defense official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue on the record.

“We told them, hold your horses, these are ours,” the official said. While repeated urgent appeals went up the coalition chain of command, he said, the airstrike continued for an hour and a half against two Pakistani border positions and a contingent of troops.

Administration and U.S. defense officials raised the possibility of a different set of circumstances but declined to elaborate.

“Where we are is that we’ve regretted the loss of life and said there should be an investigation,” said a U.S. official who agreed to speak about the tense situationonly on the condition of anonymity. “We’ve just got to put one foot in front of the other here.”

The Pentagon placed the U.S. Central Command in charge of the inquiry, and Centcom’s commander, Gen. James N. Mattis, announced Monday that a Special Operations officer would head it. Air Force Brig. Gen. Stephen Clark was directed to include representatives of NATO and the Pakistani and Afghan governments on the investigation team and to report his conclusions by Dec. 23.

Pakistani anger rising
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The investigation, however, risked being overtaken by events in Pakistan, where the government and military commanders are under strong pressure from the increasingly anti-American Pakistani public and the ranks of the army to end counterterrorism cooperation with the United States.
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“You cannot win any war without the support of the masses,” Gilani told CNN. “We need the people with us.” Gilani said that “business as usual” with the United States could not continue.

Pakistan has blocked NATO supplies transiting to Afghanistan at two border crossings and threatened to withdraw from an international conference on Afghanistan next week in Germany. A small contingent of U.S. personnel at Shamsi air base in southern Pakistan was told to leave within 15 days.

Relations were already fractured after a series of clashes this year, including the January shooting death of two Pakistanis in Lahore by a CIA contractor, the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in May and public U.S. charges that Pakistan’s intelligence service has aided Afghan insurgent networks within its borders.

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^ where is your own take on the boycott? :@:

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I support the boycott, and believe that its a bold decision. I also know there would be a lot of pressure on the government to reconsider, I hope they continue with the boycott.

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One Western official who spoke on the condition of anonymity called the boycott “very unfortunate,” adding, “Pakistan is taking itself from the table precisely when it should be contributing to a solution in Afghanistan.” Pakistan’s participation, and its cooperation in the winding-down of the war in Afghanistan, is important in large part because of the leverage it is believed to have over the Taliban.
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Why should we be contributing to a solution? Did we start the war? And how can they expect a solution from us if they give us credit in the shape of shooting down our soldiers? In one breath they say we are part of the solution and in the next we are termed part of the problem. They need to make up their mind first.

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Thats the least they could do. But its still some bone shown by not going to bonn conf.

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Right decision and Pakistan should stay away form this conference. I hope the govt sticks to its decision and doesnt give in to any pressure. They deliberately murdered our soldiers, this is the least we can do.

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im backing this decision taken by govt!

Hina Rabbani says: we dont want aid or assistance we want to live with dignity and honour.

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u r right Ehsan they did it on purpose .. this is what the PAK army is saying as well! attack was deliberate! and then they changed their statement within 7 min! biggest liars on the earth!

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Brazo :k: … what a statement :clap:

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Afghan conference boycott: No Bonn voyage for PakistanBy Abdul Manan
Published: November 29, 2011

****LAHORE: **If the Afghan endgame is a chessboard, Pakistan is believed to be the queen; the game can’t be played without this crucial piece.

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Thus the international community has been rocked by Pakistan’s decision to boycott the Bonn conference on Afghanistan’s future, due to be held in the German city next week, in protest against Saturday’s Nato air raids on Pakistani border posts that killed two dozen troops.

The decision was taken at a cabinet meeting chaired by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani in Lahore. Other pressing topics which would normally have been discussed, such as the energy crisis, were swept aside as the question of how to react to the air strikes dominated the agenda.

At home, the prime minister will summon a joint session of parliament to debate the issue, after recommendations from the parliamentary committee on national security.

Before then, however, the fallout could have caused further diplomatic strain. A prominent member of the cabinet told The Express Tribune that the premier would make a ground-breaking announcement on Pakistan’s relationship with the US in the ‘war on terror’ within the next few days. He said that the news would ‘comfort’ Pakistanis, though he was reluctant to divulge more information.

Another minister, who asked not to be named, told The Express Tribune that the cabinet had a heated debate on why the Pakistan Army had not reacted to the air strikes. The minister said the prime minister informed the cabinet that the military operated on the directives of the government.

Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar briefed the cabinet about the incident and the diplomatic efforts being made to highlight the violation of Pakistan’s territorial sovereignty. The cabinet agreed that unilateral actions, like the Abbottabad raid which killed Osama bin Laden and the cross-border Nato air raid, were unacceptable.

Gilani also informed the cabinet about the decisions of the defence committee of the cabinet (DCC). He reiterated that Pakistan would never compromise its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

**Cabinet takes forceful stance

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After much debate, the cabinet made some formal decisions and statements, which were released to the media. Firstly, that it reaffirmed Pakistan’s support for stability and peace in Afghanistan – and that it hoped the Bonn conference would further this goal, despite Pakistan’s non-attendance due to “developments and prevailing circumstances”.

The cabinet also officially condemned the Nato air strikes and termed them an “assault on the sovereignty of Pakistan”. Furthermore, it endorsed the stance taken by the DCC, which includes closing Nato supply routes, ordering the US to leave the Shamsi Airbase, andreviewing Pakistan’s ties with the US-led coalition in general.

The cabinet also asked the international community to acknowledge that the air raids violated the UN charter and international law, with possibly grave repercussions for regional peace and security.

**Pakistan is calculating shift in US relations

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**Federal Minister for Information Firdous Ashiq Awan said the country’s boycott would send a message to the world: that Pakistan could not participate in a conference aimed at protecting Afghanistan’s sovereignty while its own sovereignty was being breached and tarnished. She added that the decision not to attend the Bonn conference has laid the foundations for a shift in policy on the country’s relations with the US.
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She said that the prime minister has asked Finance Minister Hafeez Sheikh to submit a report on the likely repercussions of Pakistan changing its approach to the US.

**Rehman Malik denies UAE airbase story

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Interior Minister Rehman Malik confirmed that notices have been sent for the US to vacate the Shamsi Airbase, while denying reports that the UAE has requested Pakistan not to shut it down.

Malik told the media at Lahore airport that the government has responded “courageously” to the US over the issue.

**Karzai tries to make Pakistan change its mind

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai called Prime Minister Gilani and asked him to reconsider the decision to boycott the Bonn conference. Karzai also condoled with Gilani over the death of Pakistani soldiers.

Gilani said Pakistan remained committed to helping restore stability in Afghanistan, but also expressed regrets that Afghan soil was used to attack Pakistan by Nato forces. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that she was “very sorry” about Pakistan’s decision. She said Germany would still “see what could be done to change” Islamabad’s mind.

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What are you talking about - defensive policy? Covert support to terrorist to operate in other countries and playing double games are not defensive policies. Pak's trouble in Afghanistan was result of an aggressive strategic policy on defense. US might go away; neither Afghanistan nor India is going to allow Pakistan to have a free hold in Afghanistan at least not without more damage to Pak economy. This week India got the biggest mining contract to be awarded till date by Afghan government. It is obvious whole hearted participation by Pakistan is very essential for a peace in Afghanistan. But at the same with the world view of Pakistan as a reluctant partner (to say the least) in solving the Afghan quagmire, I am not sure not many western powers are really regretting Pakistan’s absence – despite the lip service to the contrary. Yes, Afghan and USA may suffer, but the loser is Pakistan. With the suffering Afghanistan as a nation is learning valuable lesson, but Pakistan does not seem to be, as it is alternating between being dellusional and depressed.

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nice move :cobra:

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You would have not landed this conclusion had you known the exact picture of US economic woes, dollar's plight, and domestic and foreign debt accumulated by Washington. Did you forget the saga that kept the entire financial world hostage to a deal being discussed and eventually finalized on August 1st on US debt ceiling? Pakistan may be a born loser, but anyone who fiddled with us — say Russia — had to pay a heavy price in Afghanistan. In today's corporate world, there is no single loser. So rest assure that we won't be alone in hell! :)

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Dude... pakistan is going to be there.

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In my personal opinion, they should not boycott Bonn. In fact Bonn had given them excellent opportunity to voice their anger and still remain involved as big stake holder.

There are many other ways to react to NATO's attack some of which are already active such as stopping supply rout, asking to empty base, offensive on diplomacy front and perhaps closing of Air Space.

but again, thats my personal opinion :)

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If I loan you $1000, then payment of loan is your headache. And if I loan you $ trillion, then its my headache not yours.

American Debt is more headache for China not for US.

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I say good move. And this is exactly what we expected from our govt. Now, i think we should be nutral in the region and focus on our economy and tackle on corruption.

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It's not about who will repay the debt or interest, it is about what an unceasing Afghan war means to the US financially.

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Wrong.

If China "stops buying" US credit, US going to the dogs. Unlike developing countries, yankees are now so much used to luxurious life, that few less luxurious life days will mean a total civil war.... mark my words!

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Stop posting BS and wasting bandwidth if you don't know what you talking about.