Bond between Allah and Banda.

psyah · September 10, 2011, 9:08am

Re: Bond between Allah and Banda.

RIGHT, but at the end of the day all of the above doesn’t prove the existence of god. All it proves is that there was so and so who did such and such and now he has a cult following of a billion people who are ready to defend it no matter what. Don’t assume that I am not familiar with the religion. I have studied it in great details but never once I felt those were God’s words.

a) Historical evidence: How does it prove the existence of god? If you speak of miracles, where’s the proof? All of have been debunked or shown to have been plagiarized from ancient religious texts.**

**b) Language and interpretation of scripture: ****OK! I don’t speak arabic and maybe my interpretation is entirely wrong. But what would you say about difference of opinion among muslims themselves and islamic scholars. One believes Hijab is wajib and the other believes it’s not, one can even prove it and the other claims it can’t be proven. There are million other examples. AND A BOOK DOESN’T PROVE AN OMNIPOTENT GOD EXISTS!

**c) Logic of text: ******What’s logical about men being able to marry three women yet a woman can’t do the same? This is a very simplified and a popular example hence I am mentioning this. There are others but wouldn’t mention them due to their offensive nature..

******d) Fulfilment of prophecies: ******Tukkay/basic probability? I can say a 1000 things right now and one or two of them are bound to happen in the next 1400 years. Also, you may see something and relate it to a religious prophecy because your mind is preoccupied with it, whereas I may see it as a mere coincidence. ******

**e) Beauty in scriptures: ********I don’t see any beauty in any scriptures. They aren’t any more beautiful than another biased fictional history text book. again, one would be delusional enough to find any book “beautiful” if they truly feel it’s from the divine. So faith has to be there for the placebo to be effective.

f) Cohesion of ideas and concepts within the faith - i.e. no contradictions:******** I see a million contradictions in Quran but regardless of what I say, you will refuse to see it or work around it somehow connect one to the other. You will say A could be taken literally but B is only a metaphor but they will both seem to discuss the same issue in my perspective yet have a different outcome. There are a lot of examples for this and that will lead to another discussion altogether but feel free to google it.

**g) Authenticity of narratives: **Why would I believe something that is said to be timeless yet there’s no evidence in sight for it? Why should I treat religious narratives any different than how I treat another historical anecdote/narrative? Just for the record, I don’t take anything at face value regardless of its nature.

AGAIN, it comes down to having predefined faith in God for the rest of it to even matter! the question remains: why do you believe in God and I don’t?

Peace Theorist

Many informed decisions are made on comparative data not proof, after all Islam is a belief it is not out to prove God to you - simply to Guide you to Him.

Regarding hijab is there absolutely no difference of opinion of it being wajib amongst the ulema … what does however differ is what makes the hijab and as a result Shari’ah ensures that certain things are tightened or loosened based on the other factors that affect society.

Logic = Well 4 wives can each have 2 children say and the man gets 8 children. Each mother’s attention is given only to 2 children. The other way round however, 4 men marrying one wife. The wife may only have one husband’s child at a time. In the first case she only had 2 children, but in this case she will need to have 8 children probably one after the other … in the first case all 8 children could have come within 2 years, in the second case there would have to be a wait of around 8 years to achieve this … it would be unjust for the other three men to wait their turns while she is expecting the child of one the men … She will also get no rest … and will have to cater for the houses of all the men … if she is in charge then the men will be subject to unfairness on account of the time they will need to wait their turns. If this is not logical to you then I guess our discussions are useless.

Your dismissal of prophecies is typical however what Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) said ALL of those things have come about so far.

The recitation and the perfection of the Arabic is proof of the unmatched beauty of the Qur’an.

Unfortunately I do not believe you are able to identify contradictions properly. We will be going through that topic in the Logic lessons inshaAllah.

The authenticity of narration provides referential integrity - that is why in science reports and articles we use references and have a bibliography.