Bob Woolmer facing ICC disciplinary hearing

Pakistan’s coach Bob Woolmer has been reported under the ICC Code of Conduct for comments made about the umpiring during Pakistan’s recent tour of Australia. He told an Australian newspaper that the close decisions ‘went 29-5 against us’](/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2005/FEB/178332_AUS_08FEB2005.html).

Woolmer also alleged that five close calls against Pakistan in the first match of the one-day VB Series final series, and added that a declined appeal against Adam Gilchrist in the first over of the second final was “plumb”. Woolmer concluded: “Quite frankly, Australia were the better side against us this summer, but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on.”

But Woolmer’s outspoken comments did not go down well at the ICC, whose high-performance manager he used to be. Malcolm Speed, the chief executive, has exercised his right to cite Woolmer under Level 2.4 of the ICC Code, which deals with “public criticism of, or inappropriate comment on a match-related incident or match official”.

The hearing will be dealt with by the Pakistan Cricket Board as soon as is reasonably practicable. All Level 2 breaches carry a minimum penalty of 50% of the player or official’s match fee, and a maximum penalty of their full match fee and/or a ban for one Test or two ODIs. In the case of officials who are not paid a match fee, it is considered to be the same as that of the players. If an official is banned they are not permitted to carry out their duties during the matches in question.

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ICC thugs! :mad2:

These are the manipulative and intimidating tactics I speak off about this ICC body.
If no one is allowed to ‘voice’ their oncerns then who is? they don’t listen to the boards anyways nor the pay attention to emerging problems or events.

They rather draw their cannons first on each complaint. :frusty2:

Woolmer is not under any breach, imo he’s a contract employee of the PCB and does not
Fall within the player, official criteria. So much for ICC awareness,and only because Aussie are much ‘Superiors’ nation to other teams,:expressionless:

Mr. Speed can stuff his booty with ICC’s biased constitution. :nono1:

DaPakiGuy,This should have been posted on my ICC existing thread,Oh well,
Who said we ever had any mutual consenus on any issue,

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and they are not gonna do anything about 29-5! :mad:

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I think once the ICC move to Dubai, it will have right ratio of all the cricket playing nations. I hope it will not be this blind and will show more felxiblity to make this game more fair for players, spectators and Umpires. After all this is not the same game when governments will pour money to run a country's cricket board. ICC and its members are now Multi-million dollar enterprises.

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intimidating tactics! Up Yours!

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ICC bashing aside... and please feel free to carry on blasting those buggers... what's the point of going to media and talk about 29-5 by decisions by the umpires? I mean, we already lost the tournament, people can see the difference in both teams and how Pak put up a decent fight. Its time to train hard for the next series against India. 29-5 is not even a good excuse, frankly. If Woolmer wants our guys to appeal to the umpires in English and appeal in a more intimidating manner, none of that needs to be told to media. Aa bel mujhay maar, wali baat hai.

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I must say Woolmer is an idiot, after this incident. A loser, trying to come up with excuses. His team lost really bad on consistant basis. It was not a match to aussie might. its as simple as that. As one Umpire said, that they make the decision before the players get excited, says it all.

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Tell this to Ponting who was worried in both finals afre batting first. no match?? yeah right :rolleyes:

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Just quit the ICC mafia…dissolve PCB and just play cricket…voila :k:

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Dont kid yourself. Ponting was being nice. You know very well there is no match. Pak has lost 99.99 % of their ODIs against australia for the last 5 years. Some of the defeats were humiliating. Pak is no South Africa who really gave hard time to aussies in yester years. Woolmer knows that pak is no india either, whose batsmen can battle things out. Such a big loser that woolmer turned out to be. May be its bcoz he is living in the company of losers, who just complain about everything. Akhter is one such loser.

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I dont wanna derail the thread but you are calling for an answer so there you go. Paksitan has lost 99.99 percent of the matches but since woolmer has taken over Pakistan has played Australia 8 times and once once we recieved a thrashing. Three matches went right down to the wire and Australia didn’t win comfortably in any match. Pakistan lacks the killer blow when it comes to facing australia but this yougn side is giving aussies run for their money.

I remember you wanted Miandad as coach even now. Trust me on that Miandad not being coach, the biggest positive is that players are not pissed at their coach for not appreciating their performances and only criticizing them. Woolmer should be looked as a long term solution. The effect he is having on players like Malik, Butt, Razzaq Afridi is something that needs to be appreciated.

Regarding the topic of the thread, he should stay quiet about 29-5 thing. He is not helping himself or the team for that matter.

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Stop criticising Woolmer for this. He should be congratulated for being open about his thoughts.

ICC has been running like a mafia. It's high time these so called 'don't criticise in public' kind of racketeering is removed from so called rule books.

These racketeers want cricket to be a 'gentlemen's game' ONLY when it suits them.

PS: I hope paksitanis in sufficient numbers will stand behind him instead of running away as usual when the going gets tough

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i agree with u. Icc sucks.

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Three matches went right down to the wire (if u think they did), is mainly because Australia were not at their best. When they are at their best, its a massacre.

I did not say I wanted Miandad as coach. And until now I was not against Woolmer as coach. Two things turned me off.

  1. His comments on umpiring, which makes me thing that the only thing improved since Miadad’s reign, is that we make better excuses for our losses.

  2. Woolmer’s preference on having Shoaib Malik ahead of Asim Kamal for the TEST team. For details you can read his replies on www.bobwoolmer.com

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Woolmer has his own likes and dislikes. He's in love with Shoaib Malik, even though it was apparent that Malik can't bat on seaming/moving wickets (which is true of ALL other Pakistani batsmen except Inzi). He likes Farhat and Sami even though they have failed time and again under him. He doesn't like Taufiq Umer, and as a result he wasn't given a chance until the last match. He likes Razzaq as a bowler even though he did nothing to merit his selection as a bowler except the last 2 games (that he suddenly turned the corner as a bowler was a miracle - maybe Woolmer's confidence in him paid off, or maybe he could finally get his mind off of the rape allegations).

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Pakistan clears coach Woolmer over umpiring criticism in Australia

by AFP

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has cleared coach Bob Woolmer of criticising umpires in Australia, sparing him a potential fine or ban, officials said.
"Woolmer was asked to give his comments and he told the PCB he was quoted out of context. So the matter looks to be over," PCB spokesman Abbas Zaidi said from Islamabad on Wednesday.

The International Cricket Council (ICC) earlier this month said Woolmer was being reported for comments made about the umpires after the tri-series one-day finals in Australia.

"It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer was quoted as saying by the Brisbane Courier-Mail, in an apparent reference to the umpiring decisions after Pakistan lost both the tri-series finals against Australia.

The comments were deemed to be a violation of the ICC code of conduct, which deals with "public criticism of, or inappropriate comment on a match-related incident or match official".

The ICC had said the matter would be dealt with by the PCB.

"I have great respect for the umpires. It's a difficult job they do and at no stage have I criticised the umpires," Woolmer told AFP.

Woolmer, who played 19 Tests for England and also coached South Africa, took over as Pakistan coach in June last year.

He will be part of Pakistan's squad which departs for India on February 28 to play three Tests and six one-day games on Pakistan's first tour of India for six years.


He got home safely :)