Re: Blurring the lines between right and wrong...a new trend
They do but here is the idea I have. Since when does it mean one should earn money from money you are saving in an account. It is idle money. So why earn some form off it?
That is the problem I have with Islamic banks. There is no real need for them to give any form of profit or loss at all. But then again it doesn't function as a bank at all then.
Then it is a Bait-ul-Mal
It isn't so clear to me. I can't judge a book by it's cover and I can't do that to people either.
I understand Reha is saying that don't JUSTIFY wrongs as rights but everything is blurry.
Lets look at Pop culture -
internet chat between non mehrams? halal or haram?
You just did!!
When did say you can make that assumption based on first look??
Or even after few meeting?
Now don't tell me that you don't know some ppl for long time, the ppl who often twist things to make life easy.
Yet don't want to give up their social standings as Muslim ??
Here's what I can understand:
Allah swt says in the Quran: "There is no compulsion in religion"
So yeah... no one can force anyone to do anything. Do what u want, human beings have been blessed with free will.
Here's what i can't understand:
Allah swt says in the Quran that its the duty of every muslim to do daawah i.e. to spread the knowledge of the right and the wrong. DUTY. Powerful word!
I don't expect anything from the non-muslims in the present times.
But why do our muslim bhais and behnas get all pi$$ed off when u mention something like "such-and-such is not right and such-and-such is wrong" ??? They immediately accuse you of "preaching" and "judging" and what not.
Interest is haram. However the modern banking system does not incorporate Islamic values. So you can either place your money in an Islamic bank or take interest. But to be honest Islamic banks do not really make it that halal either. Their form of return on savings is akin to interest. They just don't use the word and it is not a constant number.
I agree with this. I have many people in my own family who went to Islamic banks for their houses, that isn't any better.
Re: Blurring the lines between right and wrong…a new trend
Actually that is not the quote from the Quran. Surah 2:256:
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts
I have seen that most of the things that we do and consider them haram , are our very basic needs . For example adultery . We can avoid it by getting married earlier in our life , but we don't . Rather we keep running after our carrier and money . So whose fault is this ? Religion ? the person ? or the society ? . . . I'll blame society and our fake standards for it . Similarly Interest . We have religious guidelines to follow , but are we been able to create such a system ? No . Who can we blame for this ? None , but ourselves .
So bottom line is that rules and their implementation are totally two different things . Just by saying that something is haram won't stop people from doing it , unless we have an alternative available . This is the only way we can bring back those Islamic values that are missing from our lives . This was the vision of our forefathers in the shape of Pakistan , that is also on the brink of disaster .
Re: Blurring the lines between right and wrong...a new trend
^ Right path is always hard but more rewarding. once we (including myself) understand this, we will do better.
^ Right path is always hard but more rewarding. once we (including myself) understand this, we will do better.
Could not agree more.
So for some reason we stated thinking doing right things doing God a favour.
NO its not. You do your self a favour.
And on top mullah(mostly) have ruined it. Pll think right path have to be all that
choti shalwar darhi and maswaq.
NO its not!!!!!
Right path reduce noise in your head, Make you go to your full potential. That on personal level.
And it help you keep your self in right direction. Rather then find out on DEATH BED "oh what did I do-- i messed up my own life-- and the ones around me"
AND all that WHILE keeping you a valuable asset of the society you live in.
NOW is some one going to tell me they know a MORE sophisticated social system????
Now don't tell me that you don't know some ppl for long time, the ppl who often twist things to make life easy. Yet don't want to give up their social standings as Muslim ??
I don't think pracitising religion should be THAT hard.
Twisting things to make life easy like.... so many examples come to mind.
Again it's blurry to me.
I dont want to be advocate for someone but just FYI, there is another difference in Islamic and non-Islamic mortgage. If for some reason,** you can not pay your mortgage, you dont lose your house, instead its sold and you get your share while in regular mortgage bank gets its money back by auctioning the house and you get kicked out...**
if someone want to get into it, there really is no gray area as far as interest is concerned, lying, wasting food, money etc are concerned and all these are common practice in muslims (including myself)
i dont understand.. in either case you loose your hosue.. so whats the difference?
I agree completely. :k:
I don't think pracitising religion should be THAT hard.
Twisting things to make life easy like.... so many examples come to mind.
Again it's blurry to me.
well.
I pray with me shoes on. Beat THAT!!!
now can get back to real stuff??
Let me make it simple.
Where is it too hard to find out where eny one's ka'ba is?
But why do our muslim bhais and behnas get all pi$$ed off when u mention something like "such-and-such is not right and such-and-such is wrong" ??? They immediately accuse you of "preaching" and "judging" and what not.
Because people want to do what they want to do without any pesky reminders that certain things are wrong. So instead of politely acknowledging a tactful reminder that what they are doing might not be a grand idea, they get all huffy and accuse the reminding party of being preachy and judgmental.
But to be fair, there is also a proper and tactful way of pointing out to someone that they should rethink what they're doing. Going up to them and loudly saying "that's haraam and/or you're going to hell" in a crowded room isn't the way to do it.
Re: Blurring the lines between right and wrong...a new trend
^ Ur right but its better to be real about these things to yourself at least. And thats my point.
It is what it is...right?
^I agree. Even if you're completely going outside the boundaries, at the very least, acknowledge to yourself in your heart of hearts that what you're doing isn't right.
But lots of people have taken self-delusion and turned it into an art form, finding a way to twist and turn things in their minds so that wrong somehow becomes right. I think we're all guilty of it to some degree.
i dont understand.. in either case you loose your hosue.. so whats the difference?
Here is the diff
House: 30000
You paid off lets say in 8 years: 150000 and you got broke
BANK: auction the house for 150000 or less and keep the amount recieved
What you get? nothing ....
SOME OF ISLAMIC FINANCING: sell the house of whatever price (lets say 200,000). Will keep 100,000 and give you 100,000. Although you lose your house, but you at-least got 100,000 back.
^ Ur right but its better to be real about these things to yourself at least. And thats my point.
It is what it is...right?
Reha, I once saw a youtube video of the Imaam of the Khaana Kaaba, he was reciting the Quran on the mic and he read a verse that suddenly made him cry so bad!!! He was literally shivering with fear! I can't rememeber the exact verse but basically he was crying because he had realised he "wasn't saved" .
The Imaam of Khaana Kaaba! Who spent like 70% of his life in Allah's house, making the calls for prayers, reciting the Quran, etc etc etc.... realised he was NOT saved!
So I know for a fact that I'm going to hell, dude. I know what I do wrong, I acknowledge when I commit a sin e.g. listening to music.
Saints here on GS, who will not allow anyone to tell them they're going to hell, even when they're walking around half naked, drinking, dating, etc etc need to get real with themselves, as u said.
And yes, there is a proper way of daawah. Never raise your voice is the first rule. Followed by, never raise your eyebrows, never criticise, never fight. I certainly disapprove of walking up to somebody in a room full of people and telling them they're going to hell. I was talking about how even if u write something like XYZ is against islam (for example, valentine's day) people would eat u for it!
And yes, there is a proper way of daawah. Never raise your voice is the first rule. Followed by, never raise your eyebrows, never criticise, never fight. I certainly disapprove of walking up to somebody in a room full of people and telling them they're going to hell. I was talking about how even if u write something like XYZ is against islam (for example, valentine's day) people would eat u for it!
What's the connection between valentine's day and this? I don't get it.
But I agree with what you say regarding telling someone. I will only tell someone who I care for a lot and make them understand that. I've had the drinking conversation with a few people I am close to, but not in a preachy way, but more of try and stop this because it's not good. But like you know, people hate being told what they can and can't do. And there is only so much you can say without it getting to the point where feelings get hurt and animosity sets in. It's a fine line.
^Why don't u get it? The connection is obvious. Celebrating valentine's day is not an islamic tradition and if u mention that to someone, you will be accused of preaching or something like that. The point is.... pointing out the wrong things that u may come across is not tolerated by people these days... especially, not by our very own muslim brothers and sisters. Why so? As reha said... they need to be real to themselves.
^Why don't u get it? The connection is obvious. Celebrating valentine's day is not an islamic tradition and if u mention that to someone, you will be accused of preaching or something like that. The point is.... pointing out the wrong things that u may come across is not tolerated by people these days... especially, not by our very own muslim brothers and sisters. Why so? As reha said... they need to be real to themselves.
I understand now, it was just the way your post was worded before, when you said XYZ is against Islam; I thought you meant a person, not a thing (like v-day) lol, my bad.