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like for example to act not religious infront of muslims and to discourage islamic following would be a matter of religious excellence for them. some of them are trying to create an environment for some beast to come and kill regular muslims.
The beast 'TTP' is already killing people, and pushing people away from Islam. You should condemn them for that.
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[NOTE]Guys keep your fatwas to yourself, this is not the religious forum. Remain on topic[/NOTE]
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Afghanistan must have bumper opium crop this....:D
lol.. That had to be one of the most incoherent posts EVER... In his case, opium usage might actually be a bump up in mental clarity.
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lol.. That had to be one of the most incoherent posts EVER... In his case, opium usage might actually be a bump up in mental clarity.
Mental clarity.. huh..
What's that ???
In a place where Mulla Diesel is considered as a leader..!!!
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lol.. That had to be one of the most incoherent posts EVER... In his case, opium usage might actually be a bump up in mental clarity.
ive read it again and it was coherent, and covered all the points i wanted to make. the proof for it being coherent is that you disliked it
and thats enough for my satisfaction
btw my original post was much more to the point but it was removed since the gang (consisting of shias, qadianis, ignorants and indians) built up here in PA felt it was not conjunctive to their agenda.
im not interested in anything you have got to say.
i want to know the opinions of Muslims on the possible solutions for these problems. that would be more beneficial and much more important in the context of pakistani politics, rather then having 300 of you people filling the pages with your posts
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...........i want to know the opinions of Muslims on the possible solutions for these problems. that would be more beneficial and much more important in the context of pakistani politics, rather then having 300 of you people filling the pages with your posts
Solution: STOP DECLARING ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU AS NON-MUSLIM (OR KAFIR). That would solve a lot of our problems.
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Solution: STOP DECLARING ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU AS NON-MUSLIM (OR KAFIR). That would solve a lot of our problems.
no, i do not declare anyone who disagrees with me as kafir, but i know what i cannot accept as muslims, as per Islam, and the people i do believe are kafirs are accepted kafirs by the ummat. sometimes it is said anyone who doubts they are kafirs is himself a kafir
this muslim or not muslim aspect is not for people like you to play around with, its fixed. im not pushing you to be a muslim or not, i dont know what you are, im saying i want to hear the opinions of bonafide muslims more. not just bonafide, ratified, committed kuffar page after page
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no, i do not declare anyone who disagrees with me as kafir, but i know what i cannot accept as muslims....
this muslim or not muslim aspect is not for people like you to play around with, its fixed. im not pushing you to be a muslim or not, .......
It is for God to decide who is Kafir and who is not and this aspect is not for people like you to play around with.
This declaring each other 'kafir' is one of the major reasons for bloodshed in Pakistan.
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It is for God to decide who is Kafir and who is not and this aspect is not for people like you to play around with.
we have been given the deen, we know whats what from that. however Allah SWT will judge us all, and perhaps will forgive some amongst them, perhaps not. if someone shows displays a creed which is kufr as per the deen then i for one will accept him as kafir, and if the matter is clear enough then anyone who doubts he is a kafir then he too i will accept as a kafir as a matter of safe precaution.
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we have been given the deen, we know whats what from that. however Allah SWT will judge us all, and perhaps will forgive some amongst them, perhaps not. if someone shows displays a creed which is kufr as per the deen then i for one will accept him as kafir, and if the matter is clear enough then anyone who doubts he is a kafir then he too i will accept as a kafir as a matter of safe precaution.
This is exactly what people who would call YOU kafir would say. There are interpretations of 'kafir' which are different for different people. Lets stay away from that and discuss LOGIC and FACTS.
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This is exactly what people who would call YOU kafir would say. There are interpretations of 'kafir' which are different for different people. Lets stay away from that and discuss LOGIC and FACTS.
and that would be a true statement as per their religion. i can tell you that because i know the basics of some of their religions
religion plays a big part in pakistani lives including my own, i do not think many of us would be abandoning it, like i said in a removed post two of these religions believe in removing Islam from government for that they are momins in their religion. for example qadianis actively persue removing religion from state, dont know if thats just in pk but its a reliable statement for pk.
now the Muslim majority believe the islamic nature of the state is at risk by corrupt politicians. they wait for a day when the politicians will be saaf so Islamic republic can have some satisfaction initself
from that i can see a definite clash appearing between muslims and the minorities, including the secular.
its not going to go away if we close our eyes or if you think by pushing the secular agenda it is going to oust Islam from the state, it will not. it will just create alot of killing and fasad. like the increase in violence has shown post busharraf, like bullet to salman taseer showed, and the call for the trial of sherry on blasphemy charges
going on the assumption that qadianis, shias, ignorants, and indians on this forum also want a peaceful pakistan, i think the conversations should be centered around the Islamic restoration of the state. not on the opportunist, irresponsible bashing and uprooting of the Islamic identity of Pakistan
these are my thoughts and i'd love to hear other Muslim thoughts, since i feel starved of them on here, but if others cannot resist then share your thoughts, not a one sentence question of my opinions
it may be that what i am talking about is just too different or unliked by others to understand and appreciate, and we may as a country need to (unfortunately) fight this out amongst ourselves to find a clear winner
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and that would be a true statement as per their religion. i can tell you that because i know the basics of some of their religions
religion plays a big part in pakistani lives including my own, i do not think many of us would be abandoning it, like i said in a removed post two of these religions believe in removing Islam from government for that they are momins in their religion. for example qadianis actively persue removing religion from state, dont know if thats just in pk but its a reliable statement for pk. now the Muslim majority believe the islamic nature of the state is at risk by corrupt politicians. they wait for a day when the politicians will be saaf so Islamic republic can have some satisfaction initself
from that i can see a definite clash appearing between muslims and the minorities, including the secular.
its not going to go away if we close our eyes or if you think by pushing the secular agenda it is going to oust Islam from the state, it will not. it will just create alot of killing and fasad. like the increase in violence has shown post busharraf, like bullet to salman taseer showed, and the call for the trial of sherry on blasphemy charges
going on the assumption that qadianis, shias, ignorants, and indians on this forum also want a peaceful pakistan, i think the conversations should be centered around the Islamic restoration of the state. not on the opportunist, irresponsible bashing and uprooting of the Islamic identity of Pakistan
these are my thoughts and i'd love to hear other Muslim thoughts, since i feel starved of them on here, but if others cannot resist then share your thoughts, not a one sentence question of my opinions
it may be that what i am talking about is just too different or unliked by others to understand and appreciate, and we may as a country need to (unfortunately) fight this out amongst ourselves to find a clear winner
Islamic restoration... What in the world does that even mean?
And im curious, at the risk of being called a "Qadiani," I would love to know how they are promoting evil Secularism in your Islamic Republic... Just so we are on the same page. Is this another conspiracy theory Pakistanis are so famous for?
Anyone who intellectually honest would admit that religion and govt, do not mix well. You dont have to be an Ahmadi to see that. History and current events is enough for anyone to realize that. But for whatever reason, the hyper religious are so obsessed with their religious labels, they insist that religion an govt MUST be one and the same.
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we have been given the deen, we know whats what from that. however Allah SWT will judge us all, and perhaps will forgive some amongst them, perhaps not. if someone shows displays a creed which is kufr as per the deen then i for one will accept him as kafir, and if the matter is clear enough then anyone who doubts he is a kafir then he too i will accept as a kafir as a matter of safe precaution.
Your deen is based on faith, faith is not based on fact. If something is not based on fact, it is assumption. Between two assumptions, aka faiths, barring God himself appearing before us, you cannot claim that one assumption is any more valid then another.
Your belief that someone else is a Kafir has its basis in your own assumption. One belief, lacking evidence, is not a valid basis to draw conclusions on another. Two equally baseless beliefs are equal.
So you dont know who is or isnt a Kafir really. They believe blindly in their faith as you believe blindly in your own. The difference is, the so called Kafir are a minority in your country, while you are a member of the majority.
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This song preaches tolerance. I hope it helps shardmanny.
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This song preaches tolerance. I hope it helps shardmanny.
It wont.
But good effort!
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One more for you.
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The last, but not the least.
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Your deen is based on faith, faith is not based on fact. If something is not based on fact, it is assumption. Between two assumptions, aka faiths, barring God himself appearing before us, you cannot claim that one assumption is any more valid then another.
Your belief that someone else is a Kafir has its basis in your own assumption. One belief, lacking evidence, is not a valid basis to draw conclusions on another. Two equally baseless beliefs are equal.
Islam is based on fact, the following of it is based on faith, pakka faith
we do not accept our faith is 'baseless' you accept or say you do that your faith is baseless. and i agree with you on your assessment of your own faith. even if you dont have faith, i do not care. go run a marathon for charity or something
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So you dont know who is or isnt a Kafir really. They believe blindly in their faith as you believe blindly in your own. The difference is, the so called Kafir are a minority in your country, while you are a member of the majority.
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i know full well the clearcut kafirs, and its these groups who are trying to remove Islam from Pakistan. this is not something personal to me, for you to get a passport i think you have to declare you are a kafir yourself? and you are not allowed to impersonate muslims in pak, true? this move was done to reduce possible bloodshed and it has worked in the main. you still have your faith whatever it may be
i can tell you now, my people will not accept a kafir pakistan (removal of religion from state) and it is something that we will physically fight for
now the point for you to ponder is that in your attempts to remove religion from state this cause nothing but bloodshed. and sooner or later this fight will have to be physically carried by your people. i guess this is something unwanted by yourself? if you are for peace then give it up otherwise lets just start sending letters to people who have already started fighting and ask them to have a good look at rabwah and lahore? is this what you want? if not start respecting the wishes of the Muslims. any problems with the islamic wellbeing of pakistan causes it to come into chaos
the noise you are making has reached such levels that you are a player in this game, and it doesnt take rocketry to figure out players will be playing. so its only a matter of time
this is terrible, that you are choosing to opt for this situation. but the decision is yours in the end.* if you put everyhting on youtube from your side - i will forgive you. im getting some popcorn*
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