Blessings of Qasidat al-Burda (Poem praising the Prophet)

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Number 1 - VERY BAD TRANSLITERATION OF THE QU'RAN

Here is the more proper interrpetation which again, Allah (swt) is referring to the practice of idol worship. Again this is the translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, the most widely used transliteration of the Qur'an in to English in the World. I have no idea where Mr. armughal got the above from, but it is a terrible english transliteration, in fact it is demeaning to the meaning of the Qur'an. Here is the proper understanding, and clearly it is shown to apply towards those who recited poetry on behalf of their idols from the Quraysh and they found that their gods could not intercede on their behalf. When Rasul-Allah (saws) is the means to Allah, it is known and understood that he is the Nabi and Allah (swt) is the Rabb.

Another ayat used by Mujassima and Mu'taziliyya that was meant for idol worshippers but again applied upon other Muslims. Very strange to see this pattern developing here by armughal. Anyways here is the good transliteration:
26:97 "'By Allah, we were truly in an error manifest
26:98 "'When we held you as equals with the Lord of the Worlds;
26:99 "'And our seducers were only those who were steeped in guilt.
26:100 "'Now, then, we have none to intercede (for us),
26:101 "'Nor a single friend to feel (for us).
26:102 "'Now if we only had a chance of return we shall truly be of those who believe!'"
26:103 Verily in this is a Sign but most of them do not believe.

Your foolish attempt again armughal.

When Allah (swt) says in regards to on the day of judgement to those who worship idols or other gods (NOT RASUL-ALLAH) what a foolish thing you are comparing here, Allah (swt) says here: "'Now, then, we have none to intercede (for us), he is referring to non-Muslims who believe in other god's of their own and do not believe in Allah (swt), that their gods will not be able to help or intercede for them.

Now listen if you use another ayah to try to say it is worship to Rasul-Allah (saws) naudhubillah when in fact it applies to the idol-worshippers or polytheists, I will shut you down and you will be labelled a michief maker by me. You use pathetic arguments, they are not straightforward, they are deceiving and full of lies.

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No you did not answer it.

The measure to see if Mawlid un-Nabi or recitation of Qasaa’id is full of guidance or misguidance is clear and apparent.

One hadith states that there are many good innovations.

Now who are you to decide if these two very meritious acts are misguidance? Who lets you decide??? Your personal fallacies?

You are beating around the bush and avoiding my question, do you not accept NOW that there are good bid’a??? It’s in Sahih al-Muslim Mr. Lajawab, how about that??? And who are you to put up a measure then??? Did you not say a few posts ago before going through my post that you believed that all bid’a are deceptions?? Oh so now you’ve changed your mind?

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^^

Is Mawlid or Qasidahs and their blessings in Sahih Muslim?

Who am I to decide? I am a Muslim who fears his Lord of doing something, even with a good heart and good intentions, something that He wouldn't like...And there is a blessing in what I would be doing, for staying away from doubtful matters is part of Sunnah...

Practicing Mawlid and reciting Qasidahs is not...

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Masha'Allah....are you Allah??? Thanks for letting me know Allah.

It seems as you've caught yourself in your own trap. At first you say that All bid'a is misguidance, but now you have to accept that there are two categories of bid'a as per the hadith of Sahih al-Muslim. You have no knowledge of what 'Ulama have said for it you did you would not slap their studies in the face and their much better understanding of Qur'an and Sunnah by either you or armughal, you new age modernist people think that you are better than the classical scholars because all you need is Qur'an and Sunnah. Pathetic.

You will get nowhere and will be an embarrassment to yourselves for your arrogance on believing that you can teach yourself Islam and not need a teacher to learn Islam properly.

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You stay away from Mawlid un-Nabi and recitation of Qasidah's. In fact it will be better for the all of us if you did. How about from now on, you keep your comments to yourself and we will keep ours to us. Or else do you want to keep on using ayats of Qur'an which apply to polytheists and idol worshippers upon other Muslims, and continue to accuse me of shirk...? If that is what a senior member and a moderator for these forums can come up with, then may Allah have mercy on all the innocent people who come here and get fed your treacherous comments.

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Its all Allah's blessing whom he grants the true understanding ( HAQ ) and people like you keep on rejecting the HAQ and the great work of scholars based on their self understood translations of Quran.

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http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/qasidah.htm

Peace to all

I am not a great supporter of innovations because it is always difficult to see which ones are going to lead to fitnah or hasanah.

However, the classical qasidahs have been misunderstood, by literalists.

Some people are too shy and consider it disrespectful to say anything low about the prophet Muhammad (SAW) … when we talk literally we should clearly denote the rank of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) and clearly state his mortal and finite nature. This is not disrespect it is part of the language of and times we live in.

Now poetry is different … There is often exaggeration in poetry to compound feelings … the words are not meant to be taken literally, but are to be taken in effect.

When I say I am nothing before Allah … does it mean I truly am nothing or am I trying to emphasise the insignificance of me? Allah is the Creator which means His creation is bar-Haq, to say I am nothing is abusing His Attribute, but we still say it.

In the same way … the closest one can get to being a perfect human being is the prophet Muhammad (SAW) … note I say human being … by nature we are faulty, because only Allah (SWT) is perfect. However, in poetic love of the prophet (SAW) we exaggerate this, in love for him. He is still a human and nothing compared to Allah (SWT), but we should not be shy of saying this when talking literally as I am now.

So is it considered ibadah to make poetry of the prophet (SAW) … the answer is ‘no’ … It is ibadah to however to love the prophet (SAW) more than ourselves based on the fact that Allah (SWT) has command loving him. Equally so it is also ibadah to love our partners, and children and treat them in the way we have been advised if we do so with the intention of obedience to a direct command of Allah (SWT).

The prophet (SAW) said, a smile is charity, if we smile to someone we are just being nice, but if we do so with the intention of obeying the prophet (SAW) then we are doing ibadah and it shall be classed as charity, as he was sent by Allah (SWT) to instruct us.

Note: When speaking literally = There is nothing wrong in stating the fact regarding prophet (SAW) as a mere human being, but when speaking metaphorically it should not be misunderstood as shirk either …
In these times it is better to clarify any poetic statement or refrain from them altogether because many people can be misled by the expressions and forms it comes in. As Muslims we should rise above these arguments.

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sultan guy keep a check on your language....

if u want to carry on with shirk, happily do so, but calling others as fools and such terms r not tolerated on this forum....

the mushrikeen of makkah were also very angry when the Prophet (saw) told them to leave worshipping idols and to stick to worship of one Allah only....
and they called him a fool too....

u see who u r following????

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Double standards kick in once again by armughal, and his apologetic views towards the language of Lajawab, turning a blind eye to anything that is said by himself or Lajawab.

Masha'Allah Masha'Allah Masha'Allah....

armughal, you have officially taken the job of the khawarij of the past who would use these same ayats for idol worshippers upon other Muslims. Don't worry about me calling someone a fool, worry about what Rasul-Allah (saws) said about one Muslim accusing another Muslim of shirk:

وفي الختام نختم قولنا هذا بحديث المصطفى صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم الذي أخرجه أبو يعلى عن حذيفة قال: (( قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه ولآله نسلم: مما أخاف عليكم رجل قرأ القرآن حتى إذا رؤيت بهجته عليه وكان رداءه الإسلام إنسلخ منه ونبذه وراء ظهره وسعى على جاره بالسيف ورماه بالشرك. قال: قلت: يا نبي الله! أيهما أولى بالشرك المرمى أو الرامي؟؟ قال : بل الرامي)) قال الحافظ ابن كثير: إسناده جيد.

Narrated by Abu Ya`ala, from Hudhaifa and about which Ibn Kathir said, "Its chain of transmission is good."

Abu Ya`ala said, "The Prophet (saws) has said:

‘One of the things that concerns me about my nation is a man who studied the Qur’an, and when its grace started to show on him and he had the appearance of a Muslim, he detached himself from it, and threw it behind his back, and went after his neighbor with a sword and accused him of associating partners with Allah I’. I then asked, ‘Oh, Prophet of Allah, which one is more guilty of associating partners with Allah, the accused or the accuser?’ The Prophet (saws) said, ‘It is the accuser.’"

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^ u forgot the keyword in it "detached himself from it and threw it behind his back"....
here is me giving u Quranic references, and here r u hoping some poetry will bring u blessings....

so who he is detaching from the Quran and who is throwing it behind his back????

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Prophets, especially Rasul-Allah (saws), are all infallible and are incapable of committing faults.

I suggest that you be more careful the next time you try to say something like, "he is still a human and nothing compared to Allah (swt)."

With all due respect hareem01, I think the problem lies in that you are trying to make a comparison that is not befitting of you to undertake.

We are nothing but dust below the feet of Rasul-Allah (saws). Humility and humbleness, piety, are the things that will take us towards righteousness. Not reading from and taking ayats of Qur'an and hadiths here and there and using them to condemn someone or using them to issue an islamic ruling on your own personal judgement. This is the action of someone who is arrogant and does not posess any real knowledge.

Much of your comment is accepted as a good gesture, jazak-Allah. But Allah's beloved Rasul (saws) is not like any other human being. As Hassan ibn Thabit had said as quoted from the very first posts:

Muhammad is a human being **but not like other human beings.*
Rather he is a flawless diamond and the rest of mankind is just stones.*

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Don't forget that it is you who is running after me accusing me of shirk armughal, don't forget the obvious. Then you can read the rest of the description of the hadith and try to understand it, maybe if you are fortunate enough to reach that very simple level.

In other words if you still have not realized yet, you have used these ayats of Qur'an as your evidence against me accusing me of shirk. That is how someone detaches themself from the Qur'an by using it as a weapon upon other Muslims, throwing the true meaning of the Qur'an behind their back but instead using it to scream shirk and say, "this applies to you!". Shame on you.

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^ i am accusing u of shirk cuz that is what u r doing if u believe that some poetry will bring u blessings....

and i dont see anything wrong in that accusation....

now dont tell me that once a person claims to be a muslim he can go and worship anyone and no other will dare to tell him he is doing shirk cuz he is afriad that this hadith will put him in a wrong position....

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Masha'Allah....

A man who is so adamant at obeying Qur'an and Sunnah has turned his back on the saying of Rasul-Allah (saws) because he believes that I commit shirk. Yet it is clear as the light of day that you don't have a leg left to stand up on.

Do you have any shame in making such statements?

Maybe another moderator should warn you for speaking in such a way...of course that will never happen.

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^ when u report a bad post whiz-kid, i myself judge me and i see nothing wrong in calling an apple an apple....

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The following 'Ulama also committed shirk for reciting poetry in praise of Rasul-Allah (saws), according to armughal's analysis because he is the supreme Aalim who is much more knowledgeable than the following:

  • Al-Zarqani in his monumental commentary (3:177) on al-Qastallani's al-Mawahib al-Laduniyya (the greatest work of Sira in Islam) cites Shams al-Din al-Tata'i

  • Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar in regards to blessings of making wudu before reciting Qasidatul-Burdah

Al-Qastallani said in al-Mawahib al-Laduniyya (al-Zarqani's Sharh 3:174):
The name Muhammad matches its meaning exactly and Allah thus named him Himself before he was thus named [by people]. It constitutes one of the signposts of his Prophet-hood, for his name confirms his truth. Thus he is praised (mahmud) in the world with whatever knowledge and wisdom he guides to and benefits with; and he is praised (mahmud) in the hereafter with the office of intercession."

You may continue to object to Muslims who not only fast in Ramadan, pray 5 times daily, give Zakat, perform Hajj, believe the Shahadah, believe in the Qur'an, the finality of Messengerhood with Prophet Muhammad (saws), believe in the Angels and the unseen, believe in the Divine Decree of Destiny, but even still you turn your ugly face and accuse such Muslims of shirk. You should be very ashamed of yourself to think that there is no blessing attained in creating love for Rasul-Allah (saws) in one's heart - insated you turn around and accuse one of shirk.

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there is a difference in praising the Prophet (saw) and believing that poetry which does so brings blessings....

u still cud not find a difference among them....

u r really just making no sense in all this....

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^ blessings do not come from reciting poetry....

how hard is this for u to understand????

if u dont love the Prophet (saw), u r not even a muslim, but believing that a certain poetry can bring u blessings is (i repeat) "shirk"....

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How hard is it for you to understand armurghal, if you study astrology, you think that it doesn't bring you blessings, or do you? Obviously you have been blessed with knowledge now.

So you think that by reciting a poem you cannot receive blessings, but by studying architecture you can construct a building and reap the blessings from it.

No but a poem in praise of the prophet (saws) which reminds people in their hearts and develops deep love for the prophet (saws) does not bring forth blessings, or course not, this is shirk...

Sure buddy...the next time you accuse someone of worshipping Rasul-Allah (saws), make sure you know for sure what you are saying.

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WHo is being worshipped here? Please tell me, by reciting this poem, and seeking blessings by its recitation, are you going to tell me that I am worshipping this poem? You need to seriously study the concept of Wasilah in Islam, as I can see that you are completely alien to this aspect of Islamic study.