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**Killing him does what all these attacks do and that is hurt the Iraqi people. He was a Brazilian who gave his life to help others.
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Yes, true, i know who he was. Why risk more lives like his? What is the big deal behind the US admitting a grave judgement of error, and transferring authority to the UN? Not even many Iraqis want them occupying their country anymore.
If they are blowing up the UN now, how would transferring power to them change anything? UTD is right, they will continue the terrorism against the UN.
Nadia:
Somehow I miss the logic in your argument that everything ought to be turned over to the UN. ** The target of this attack was the UN not the US/UK troops of "occupation." ** If the message of these terrorists was "We want the UN to stay but the US and UK should go home" it sure is a twisted way to show their love of the UN.
For those of you who have followed Salam Pax, the “Baghdad Blogger”, here are some tasty and profane comments.
"was there about an hour after it happened. really bad. very quick response from the American military, the helicopters with red crosses on them were going back and forth and there wer always three waiting to get the poeple to hospitals. ambulances going back and forth. the whole area cordoned off. the worst was having to talk to people who have relative and family in there. it is a car bombed there is no question about it.
you realize this is the second car bomb, the jordanian embassy.
there is a friggin’ Iraqi idiot now on Jazeera saying that the security responsibility should be given over to the Iraqi Governing Council. *uck off, this is not about American presence in Iraq. these attacks have nothing to do with the so called resistance. These are *ucking idiots who destroying all the efforts to help this country get back on it’s feet. the *ucking Governing Council could not control this mess the moment the Coalition Forces move out we are plunged in chaos. We have entered a dark dark tunnel and we have no idea what will happen now. "
Ok this is what we know. a truck (some say a cement mixer) was driving by the UN building (Canal Hotel) then swerved past the median stopped in the outside parking lot. and exploded. the west side of the building was destroyed, they were in the middle of a scheduled press conference about land mines in Iraq. the street was chaos people were rushing out of the windows and doors. injured people were all over. the american ,ilitary was there pretty fast and started evacuating the injured. they brought in rescue teams to pull out people from under the building. the place of the blast was a huge crater and was too close to the wall. the word is still out on the issue whether it was a suicide attack or not, the driver could have just parcked the car and left. when we got there there were lots of poeple trying to find out what happened to their families. people crying, shouting. the thing is there is a a hospital right next to the UN building, the cieling there caved in because of the explosion. many injured but no one killed.
this is what I know and what I saw.
I am plunging into a *ucking depression, do we have a future? is this country going to be hijacked by *hit extremists who want to prove a point? "
http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/
NO UN
NO US
No Kafir authority on Muslim soil
Get off it and go play in your own resourceless states.
Terrorists/Guerrillas fight not to win, but for publicity.. for the cause. This got them that. 1) This demonstrates, whether factually or not, the ineffectiveness of the "coalition". If the coaltion doesn't work something that does needs to be found. 2) This drew the international community into the situation with more legitimate emotion than before. It can, if not squandered, mobilize the diplomatic factions into forcing the Bush admin to roll back their temper and concede some necessary points. 3) It satisfies the political egos of half a dozen Iraqi warlords, brings them more support.
"Bring 'em on"
OG, taking Salam's idea of it being selfish warlords rather than occupation resistance, isn't that still a fatal problem needing to be dealt with properly?
Spoon,
I think it will take an Iraqi consensus to stop attacks. The UN has done good work in Iraq. Some may believe that it is an American puppet, but many realize the good it has done.
The Iraqi people may not agree with the US occupation of thier country, but neither do they agree with anarchy. Bombing water supplies, power, oil installations, only hurts Iraqis. "Resistance fighters" who make life a living hell for the average people will soon see the support for thier actions disappear. Winning hearts and minds is true for both the US forces and the resistance. The US may not win any awards for it's tough behavior, but Iraqi's have a 30 year history with the Baathists. Nor do they want Iraq to become the battle ground for the Islamist/American struggle. They want peace and freedom. They will ultimately be able make choices that are in thier own best interests.
Yes, kill the innocent people trying to help Iraqis. Looks like a text book Al Qaida strike.
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Yes definitely they want freedom....freedom from US occupation. It’s a freedom movement shaping up in Iraq nowadays, and anything goes, be it bombing water supplies, oil pipelines, etc
Stupid Video link doesnt work!
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**Nadia:
Somehow I miss the logic in your argument that everything ought to be turned over to the UN. * The target of this attack was the UN not the US/UK troops of "occupation." * If the message of these terrorists was "We want the UN to stay but the US and UK should go home" it sure is a twisted way to show their love of the UN.
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MyVoice,
It's not that difficult IMHO. The UN, in the eyes of many Iraqis, may be seen as an American tool - that the Americans and Brits are utilizing and manipulating for their own selfish purposes. If the two latter parties leave the country and transfer all authority to the UN, then that may help to fight the perception that the UN has just become another tool of the US that it only refers to when they need the official UN seal for their little military adventures abroad.
Don't forget, it was only barely less than six days ago that the UN gave its seal of approval to the Iraqi Governing Council...again, the perception may be that this was done under the pressure of the US government. The UN more than ever now, needs to insist that these occupying forces depart from Iraq - sadly they are causing more irreparable harm than good for everyone concerned.
UN, UK or the US who cares the Iraqis view them as the same bunch of leeches who caused them misery for years and who need to be squashed!
Kudos to who ever did this. I mean if the UN evacuate now, the US and UK forces are screwed. Not many countries will be willing to commit their forces unless the UN agrees to it, but with the UN gone, it will be only a matter of months before the US forces retreat.
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The UN more than ever now, needs to insist that these occupying forces depart from Iraq - sadly they are causing more irreparable harm than good for everyone concerned.
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Was it the occupying forces that caused the explosions or insurgent Iraqis?
Conveniently when horrible misdeeds are committed by Muslim extremists "root cause" can always be traced back to U.S. action, or inaction -whichever fits.
Justification for intentional murder of innocents. Is there really a moderate majority who can objectively look at ME mess? Doesn't seem like it. The average "moderate" seems to look only at "root causes" and 99.9 % of time that "root" is gonna be U.S.
What's the "root cause" for the bus bombing? The Roadmap for peace?
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Kudos to who ever did this. I mean if the UN evacuate now, the US and UK forces are screwed. Not many countries will be willing to commit their forces unless the UN agrees to it, but with the UN gone, it will be only a matter of months before the US forces retreat.
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If the UN, US and UK evacuate, Saddam or someone like him will come back to power. Who do you think will provide aid to Iraqis but the West? Arabs? Your name suits you.
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i have heard justification often whenever an Iraqi pregnant woman was accidentally caught in the crossfires of an American soldier's target, or when 14 year old Iraqi teenagers are detained at the American military/airport base in Iraq. Why is the US-caused deaths of Iraqi families at roadblocks deemed collateral damage and brushed aside so easily?
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I'm, sorry to say but you do not understand the difference between an accident and intentional act to kill innocent people. Both are tragic, but one has a malicious intent. I hope I don't have to tell you which one is which.
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All my thanks, i would appreciate your not talking to me in this condescending manner. If i was a guy, would you still talk to me in that manner?
It’s only an accident when it’s Iraqis who are killed. Or it’s collateral damage.
This was a cowardly act. Bombing the U.N. makes no sense. What a tragic loss of life. The whole Iraqi nation should condemn this act. A sad day indeed. :(