i dont know why such discussions turn out to be debates. do u really think any common man like u and me (muslim or hindu) would do such a thing. i mean it's so obvious that such things are done with political motives by power hungry people. they employ unsocial elements in society,pay them money and do such things. would you actually care which religion this power hungry idiot belongs to? i would not care. i m a hindu n i went to ajmer sharif last year. i was told that in an year more hindus visit than muslims. it atleasts proves one point. there are more hindus who are willing to visit the shrine and less hindus (if any) who would want to destroy it. please dont make such discussions a hindu vs muslim debate. this is where we all lose. we all, hindus or muslims, indians or pakistanis.
i dont know why such discussions turn out to be debates. do u really think any common man like u and me (muslim or hindu) would do such a thing. i mean it's so obvious that such things are done with political motives by power hungry people. they employ unsocial elements in society,pay them money and do such things. would you actually care which religion this power hungry idiot belongs to? i would not care. i m a hindu n i went to ajmer sharif last year. i was told that in an year more hindus visit than muslims. it atleasts proves one point. there are more hindus who are willing to visit the shrine and less hindus (if any) who would want to destroy it. please dont make such discussions a hindu vs muslim debate. this is where we all lose. we all, hindus or muslims, indians or pakistanis.
Idealism fails in front of ideology. And we must have courage to discuss and analyze the supporting ideology behind terrorists.
And for your information anyone can do this (Hindu, Muslim or anyone) if blindly beleives in ideologies behind.
Out of interest...why do hindus go to the dargah? With what thought in mind?
Hindus can visit any place if they consider it sacred. I have seen many Hindus closing their eyes and praying while passing near by a church, or any sacred place.
Out of interest...why do hindus go to the dargah? With what thought in mind?
Hindus believe 'A man of God is a man of God, irrespective of how he prays to God'. A truly spiritual person is rare in today's world when religion is used by charlatans to grab power, money, fame, respect etc. For Khwaja Chisti, the Ummah was the human race and he tried to bring happiness to all humans irrespective of their backgrounds, that is why people of all faiths look up to him.
^ indeed that is true....i remember reading somewhere that some muslim woman wanted to become a saint. As there is no such concept ( erm Rabia Basri maybe?) of women saints..khwaja sahib sent her to a sikh guru..! dont know the validity of thiS story...nor do i have any sources!!!
In any case, thanks for your replies regarding my question!
Though you think this is a joke do you have ANY doubts in your mind that this was caused by muslims? After using your own theory of 'this is what or that is what quran says'? Face up to some realities, bitter as they are.
These are those lost souls who have been brainwashed for years of 'religious' compliance by 'erudite experts of god's commands, also known as 'islamic scholars'.'
Though you think this is a joke do you have ANY doubts in your mind that this was caused by muslims? After using your own theory of 'this is what or that is what quran says'? Face up to some realities, bitter as they are.
These are those lost souls who have been brainwashed for years of 'religious' compliance by 'erudite experts of god's commands, also known as 'islamic scholars'.'
If it is true...why the common gentry starts finding excuses or designe theories after any such kind of cold blood killings?
Though you think this is a joke do you have ANY doubts in your mind that this was caused by muslims? After using your own theory of 'this is what or that is what quran says'? Face up to some realities, bitter as they are.
These are those lost souls who have been brainwashed for years of 'religious' compliance by 'erudite experts of god's commands, also known as 'islamic scholars'.'
why jump to conclusions? Going by past statistics Hindus in India have a far, far, worse record when it comes to killing Muslims indiscriminately than any Muslim group.
^ indeed that is true....i remember reading somewhere that some muslim woman wanted to become a saint. As there is no such concept ( erm Rabia Basri maybe?) of women saints..khwaja sahib sent her to a sikh guru..! dont know the validity of thiS story...nor do i have any sources!!!
In any case, thanks for your replies regarding my question!
You are welcome. I am not familiar with that story but it could not have been a Sikh guru as their first guru, Guru Nanak was a contemporary of Babur the Mughal(Mongol) which was during the early 1500's, whereas KhwajaSahab came to India after the Delhi Sultanate was established in the early 1200's.
why jump to conclusions? Going by past statistics Hindus in India have a far, far, worse record when it comes to killing Muslims indiscriminately than any Muslim group.
The Ajmer dargah is beyond any religion boundaries, it is our faith, the faith of all Indians i.e. Hindu, Muslims and everyone else, it is now clear that the terrorists are trying very hard to create some kind of a religious tension among us. I guess we, the Hindus and the Muslims together should start a protest march against these terrorists and their evil thinking and show them our unity. I guess this kind of a blast should unite us rather than divide us.
et another proof for those who want to see that a terrorist has no religion. He is simply a terrorist
do you dispute this? im not attributing blame for those killings to Hindus, I dont want to get into all those discussions on who started it and mobsters gave guns to hindus what were we supposed to do with them and other valid arguments.
Point is Hindu-Muslim communal strife is a much more frequent occurrence in India than inter-muslim.
do you dispute this? im not attributing blame for those killings to Hindus, I dont want to get into all those discussions on who started it and mobsters gave guns to hindus what were we supposed to do with them and other valid arguments.
Point is Hindu-Muslim communal strife is a much more frequent occurrence in India than inter-muslim.
my friend, point is that where is the evidence? india is secular state and both hindus and muslims are here. so there are some conflncts and both communities are responsibel for this. i agree. but pakistan is not secular state and only muslims stay there. then why violence is more in pakistan?
answer- it's hatred that was preached from each mosque of pakistan. and tilll fundamenatlist have upper hand in pakistan, pakistan will never never have stable, secular and progressive society.
my friend, point is that where is the evidence? india is secular state and both hindus and muslims are here. so there are some conflncts and both communities are responsibel for this. i agree. but pakistan is not secular state and only muslims stay there. then why violence is more in pakistan?
answer- it's hatred that was preached from each mosque of pakistan. and tilll fundamenatlist have upper hand in pakistan, pakistan will never never have stable, secular and progressive society.
you cant really say there is MORE violence in Pakistan. One communal bloodbath over a few days in India makes up for decades of violence in pak. For example nineties were pretty bloody in Pakistan, around 2000 people died over 15 or so years based on Amnesty. More than that number were killed in the opening days of the last communal riots in India.
You are correct in assessing the Muslim on Muslim violence in Pakistan, and the reasons for it. However, as I understand it, that is not the dynamic in India. And historically, India has not witnessed the kind of Muslim on Muslim violence that happens in Pakistan. Which is why I said its premature to assume that Muslims did this bomb blast, and more likely that the previous culprits of similar violence against Muslims are at it again.
i don’t what are u talking about. more violence in India?? India is a huge country and Pakistan is not even 1/5 of it- both in size and population. but we still survive and doing steadily and fairly well ( if not great- otherwise u again say- Indians are exaggerating) as a successful democracy. Pakistan past and present is ridden by countless military coupes, illegally ousting the elected governments and violent extremism.
The fact is that there is no value for common man’s expectation in pakistan. monster of extremism which has been enriched in the name of holy islam by pakistani military, the ISI and not to forget united states for opposing russians in afghanistan has striking back to his own master. master is now hapless victim. the proof is here.
after so many years, pro-democracy and anti-extremist benzir bhutto returns to Pakistan. Pakistani people gather in huge numbers to welcome her and it ends in a carnage. u need more explanation???
aray bhaai im not doing india pakistan muqabla. you referred to Pakistan wrt Muslim vs Muslim violence... I said the same dynamic does not exist in India, where Hindu vs Muslim violence is much more common, therefore the likelier suspects would not be rival Muslim sects. Thats all I said, nothing about India as a democracy and BB's bombing has relevance to what happened in Ajmer.