Re: Blast and Gunfire in PAF Base in Karachi
As much as I ridicule Gillani on his dumbness/idiotic statements I will give him credit on this one for an attempt to confuse terrorism planners.
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My observation regarding the issue is:
1) The walls of the naval base were not high enough, they should have been much higher especially near the locality
2) There should have been electricity in the barbed wire which could have zapped anyone trying to cut the wire
3) the cost of doing all that would have been much lower than one Orion PC3, and it would have saved the army from humiliation and demoralization
4) Personally I am not hopeful but lets see if the army learns anything from this
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My question is simple.
What they are doing in heart of cities.
This is just nonsense
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who had imagined these savages would make it to our urban cities!
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My question is simple.
What they are doing in heart of cities.
This is just nonsense
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you are right, ideally the army's assets shouldnt be in cities
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Remember second of its nature and first visible suicide attack on Mush was made from a Petrol Pump in cant area was build on a military land.(Rwawlpindi)
allotted by Mush himself.
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My observation regarding the issue is:
2) There should have been electricity in the barbed wire which could have zapped anyone trying to cut the wire
The wires had electricity and cutting them should have raised an alarm, but the alarm stayed silent. Why? Will we ever know? NO
By the way, army had nothing to do with it except that ISI should have got the news before television channels got. It was basically Air Force's security layer which was breached first, but there is no word on it as we speak. Will there by any? NO.
May be — after death — when angels will come to their graves for questioning, they will flately refuse that they are dead. There reaction would be: a commission has been set up and you will get a press release soon.
My question is simple. What they are doing in heart of cities. This is just nonsense
The base was way out of the city when it was built. Do we have anything called urban planning? NO
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Landhi and Korangi was built in Liaqat Ali Khan times.
So it was buit within city.
Even they have made every cantonment a commercial area.
Even they could not feel when Indian army chief called them property dealers.
Our king is Malik Riaz
And they are loyal to the king.
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Perhaps the armed forces were also facing loadshedding? 
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this is not a laughing matter yet this is 
. Reminds me of an incident where a state minister for power was responding to press question on why there are so many power cuts in an Indian state. He just finished saying there were no power cuts and it was rumor spread by opposition when the power went off in that whole area!
Later when he was asked another day about this incident, he said without blinking that the opposition had their people in elec.board sabotage his press meet!
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Ok if there was electricity/alarm system with the barbed wire and it didnt go off then there are only two options either the system was faulty and no one bothered to have it repaired or some one had closed that system down momentarily from the inside for the success of the operation. The navy is not willing to find the black sheep inside them, and without looking inward the problem cant be resolved. Each and every person related to that base need to be interrogated fully, their telephone calls traced etc to find out what happened that day as its important to reach the trainers of these people. People are saying that they were either trained by commandos, or were some commandos at some stage, "Non state actors, in the wording of Rahman Malik'.
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Here is dome from BBC
in Urdu
BBC Urdu - پاکستان - سیکیورٹی ناقص اور مزاحمت مؤثر نہیں تھی
www.bbc.co.uk
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This seems to be a plausible explanation. There is a lot sympathy for militants in Air force, Navy and army. One of the wikileaks reports talk about taliban sympathizers in Air Force sabotaging planes because they are from US and being used against militant Taliban and AQ.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME27Df06.html
ISLAMABAD - Al-Qaeda carried out the brazen attack on PNS Mehran naval air station in Karachi on May 22 after talks failed between the navy and al-Qaeda over the release of naval officials arrested on suspicion of al-Qaeda links, an Asia Times Online investigation reveals.
Pakistani security forces battled for 15 hours to clear the naval base after it had been stormed by a handful of well-armed militants.
At least 10 people were killed and two United States-made P3-C
Orion surveillance and anti-submarine aircraft worth US$36 million each were destroyed before some of the attackers escaped through a cordon of thousands of armed forces.
An official statement placed the number of militants at six, with four killed and two escaping. Unofficial sources, though, claim there were 10 militants with six getting free. Asia Times Online contacts confirm that the attackers were from Ilyas Kashmiri’s 313 Brigade, the operational arm of al-Qaeda.
Three attacks on navy buses in which at least nine people were killed last month were warning shots for navy officials to accept al-Qaeda’s demands over the detained suspects.
The May 2 killing in Pakistan of Osama bin Laden spurred al-Qaeda groups into developing a consensus for the attack in Karachi, in part as revenge for the death of their leader and also to deal a blow to Pakistan’s surveillance capacity against the Indian navy.
The deeper underlying motive, though, was a reaction to massive internal crackdowns on al-Qaeda affiliates within the navy.
Volcano of militancy
Several weeks ago, naval intelligence traced an al-Qaeda cell operating inside several navy bases in Karachi, the country’s largest city and key port.
“Islamic sentiments are common in the armed forces,” a senior navy official told Asia Times Online on the condition of anonymity as he is not authorized to speak to the media.
“We never felt threatened by that. All armed forces around the world, whether American, British or Indian, take some inspiration from religion to motivate their cadre against the enemy. Pakistan came into existence on the two-nation theory that Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations and therefore no one can separate Islam and Islamic sentiment from the armed forces of Pakistan,” the official said.
“Nonetheless, we observed an uneasy grouping on different naval bases in Karachi. While nobody can obstruct armed forces personnel for rendering religious rituals or studying Islam, the grouping [we observed] was against the discipline of the armed forces. That was the beginning of an intelligence operation in the navy to check for unscrupulous activities.”
The official explained the grouping was against the leadership of the armed forces and opposed to its nexus with the United States against Islamic militancy. When some messages were intercepted hinting at attacks on visiting American officials, intelligence had good reason to take action and after careful evaluation at least 10 people - mostly from the lower cadre - were arrested in a series of operations.
“That was the beginning of huge trouble,” the official said.
Those arrested were held in a naval intelligence office behind the chief minister’s residence in Karachi, but before proper interrogation could begin, the in-charge of the investigation received direct threats from militants who made it clear they knew where the men were being detained.
The detainees were promptly moved to a safer location, but the threats continued. Officials involved in the case believe the militants feared interrogation would lead to the arrest of more of their loyalists in the navy. The militants therefore made it clear that if those detained were not released, naval installations would be attacked.
It was clear the militants were receiving good inside information as they always knew where the suspects were being detained, indicating sizeable al-Qaeda infiltration within the navy’s ranks. A senior-level naval conference was called at which an intelligence official insisted that the matter be handled with great care, otherwise the consequences could be disastrous. Everybody present agreed, and it was decided to open a line of communication with al-Qaeda.
Abdul Samad Mansoori, a former student union activist and now part of 313 brigade, who originally hailed from Karachi but now lives in the North Waziristan tribal area was approached and talks begun. Al-Qaeda demanded the immediate release of the officials without further interrogation. This was rejected.
The detainees were allowed to speak to their families and were well treated, but officials were desperate to interrogate them fully to get an idea of the strength of al-Qaeda’s penetration. The militants were told that once interrogation was completed, the men would be discharged from the service and freed.
Al-Qaeda rejected these terms and expressed its displeasure with the attacks on the navy buses in April.
These incidents pointed to more than the one al-Qaeda cell intelligence had tracked in the navy. The fear now was that if the problem was not addressed, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supply lines could face a new threat. NATO convoys are routinely attacked once they begin the journey from Karachi to Afghanistan; now they could be at risk in Karachi port. Americans who often visit naval facilities in the city would also be in danger.
Therefore, another crackdown was conducted and more people were arrested. Those seized had different ethnic backgrounds. One naval commando came from South Waziristan’s Mehsud tribe and was believed to have received direct instructions from Hakeemullah Mehsud, the chief of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistan Taliban). Others were from Punjab province and Karachi, the capital of Sindh province.
After Bin Laden was killed by American Navy Seals in Abbottabad, 60 kilometers north of Islamabad, militants decided the time was ripe for major action.
Within a week, insiders at PNS Mehran provided maps, pictures of different exit and entry routes taken in daylight and at night, the location of hangers and details of likely reaction from external security forces.
As a result, the militants were able to enter the heavily guarded facility where one group targeted the aircraft, a second group took on the first strike force and a third finally escaped with the others providing covering fire. Those who stayed behind were killed.
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It's always difficult to fight insurgency in your own country there always will be groups
Loyal to the enemy. Look at our Response to this issue and how India is handling it's Maoist problem
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Bullcrap.
I cant beleive that naval intelligence will have members of Al Qaeda arrested but will negotiate with Al-Qaeda to interrogate them. Gimme a break.
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Who knows man alqaeda say sub dartay hain
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Read this.Same is reported in Jang Rawalpindi.
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/5-27-2011/Karachi/pic.asp?picname=98.gif
Woman fights it out to a rapprochement
And more interesting that few days ago a case was registered in same polices station for beating a serving red tape and his son by land mafia and that too ended in Raymond style ’ Rapprochement.
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You have to watch this to know actually what happened:
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Didn't these duds moves to Duniya TV? I guess duniya tv washed their hands off of these sar khappay bhudday... :)