Blast and Gunfire in PAF Base in Karachi

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Conspiracy theories: Is the hidden hand Indian, internal or existential?

By Saba Imtiaz
Published: May 24, 2011

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**ISLAMABAD: **The questions and conspiracy theories about the well-executed attack on PNS Mehran have begun to circulate. But a look at existing patterns, threats and warning signs helps connect the dots.

Target
While other attacks have targeted military personnel, the PNS Mehran attack is different in that it directly targeted the P-3C Orion aircraft.** “The attack has rendered the navy deaf and dumb,” said security analyst Ikram Sehgal. “The P-3C aircraft acts as the navy’s ears and eyes. There are three basic elements — anti-submarine warfare, radar capabilities and electronic intelligence.”**

According to the US Navy, “Originally designed as a land-based, long-range, anti-submarine warfare patrol aircraft, the P-3C’s mission has evolved in the late 1990s and early 21st century to include surveillance of the battle space, either at sea or over land.” The aircraft attacked on Sunday were inducted into the navy in June 2010, as part of US military assistance to Pakistan. A press release at the time said that Pakistan Navy will receive eight P-3C aircraft by 2012.

Why the navy?
Pakistan’s armed forces have been under attack by militants for several years now, however the navy has rarely been targeted. In 2008, seven people were killed in a suicide attack at Lahore’s Naval War College. On December 1, 2009, a suicide bomber blew himself up at the naval headquarters in Islamabad.

On April 26, 2011, four people were killed and 26 were injured in twin bomb blasts on naval buses in Karachi. Two days later, six people were killed and seven injured in another attack on a bus carrying naval personnel near the Karsaz base. “These were soft targets,” says Sehgal. “But it should have been questioned as to why technicians, who were going to and from the naval base, were being targeted.”

While Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan spokesperson Ehsanullah Ehsan claimed responsibility for the attack, Sehgal believes that the beneficiaries of Sunday’s attack are countries that have ‘had designs on Pakistan’, and that this had “India’s Research and Analysis Wing’s signature all over it”. He said it was “far fetched” to believe that the attack could be retribution for the Pakistan Navy’s role in Combined Task Force 151, an international anti-piracy fleet that was commanded by the Pakistan Navy earlier this year.

Internal involvement
The security of Pakistan’s military bases has been in question for several years now. The attack on the military’s general headquarters in Rawalpindi in 2009 as well as frequent attacks on security check posts, bases and training centres is part of a pattern, both of infiltration of and radicalisation in the security forces, and the lack of adequate security measures.

A precedent for involvement by military personnel exists. Investigation into an assassination attempt on former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf found that the ammunition had been taken from a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) depot. Seven military officials — six of whom were from the air force — were convicted by a military court along with six civilians. According to a Dawn report in 2010, explosives used in the attacks on Karachi’s Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine were ‘sophisticated military explosives’.

A US embassy cable from 2006, which was released this month by WikiLeaks, highlights radicalisation in the air force. The cable quotes then-Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Operations Air Vice Marshal Khalid Chaudhry as saying that the airmen, most of who came from rural villages, were being radicalised by extremist clerics.

The cable quotes Chaudhry as saying, “You can’t imagine what a hard time we have trying to get them to trim their beards.”

The cable also reveals that Chaudhry claimed “to receive monthly reports of acts of petty sabotage, which he interpreted as an effort by extremists among the enlisted ranks to prevent PAF aircraft from being deployed in support of security operations in the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas along the Afghan border.”

Radicalisation in the security forces was highlighted earlier this year when Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer was assassinated by a member of the Elite Force squad in Islamabad on January 4. A Los Angeles Times report in February highlighted the case of Zahid Manzoor Bajwa, a Punjab police official who had access to intelligence reports and is believed to have passed them on to the Taliban.

The PNS Mehran attack would have also required significant surveillance, which militant organisations have been able to conduct in the past, given their success at attacking the military’s Rawalpindi headquarters and buildings belonging to the Inter-Services Intelligence, Federal Investigation Agency and the Crime Investigation Department.

In the early 2000s, al Qaeda operatives had reportedly surveyed Karachi’s ports in preparation for a planned attack on the Strait of Hormuz and other ports used by the US Navy, according to the files of Guantanamo Bay detainees published by WikiLeaks.

A unique experience
A huge billboard outside the naval air force headquarters, which came under sustained attack for hours on Monday, says it all – “Pakistan Air Force Museum. Unique experience”.
“If these people can just enter a military base like this, then how can any Pakistani feel safe?” asked Mazhar Iqbal, 28, engineering company administrator taking a lunch break in the shade outside the complex where a crowd had gathered on a patch of grass to watch journalists set up camp as much as anything. He said he was from an insecure area of the city already infamous as a source of funding for militant groups.

“The government and the army are just corrupt. We need new leaders with a vision for Pakistan.”
Moin Babar, 35, a technical engineer, said people were trying to understand how the militants made it inside. “I heard that 15 went in through a sewer,” he said. Kamran Khalil, 48, a civil engineer, suggested, like many others, a conspiracy. “How can this happen? It’s taking them so long to resolve the issue. India or the CIA could have been behind this. They want to show that Pakistan forces are ineffective.”

Many in Pakistan were furious with the US operation to kill Bin Laden without sharing any intelligence beforehand with Islamabad, which they saw as a severe breach of sovereignty. “This is all a reaction to American policy in Pakistan,” said Atif Ali, a 30-year-old construction worker, standing near one billboard advertising audio equipment in which a beautiful woman says “Let’s play” and another advertising pizza.
with additional input by reuters
Published in The Express Tribune, May 24th, 2011.

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i agree .. mostly pashtuns are hold responsible for all this ... when the reality is tht not every ttp is pashtu!...
ofcourse ... pathans are part of PAKISTAN just like sindhi, balochis and punjabi are ...

but can't we just send afghans back to from where they came from?? we are paying a heavy price for our hospitality!! ...

also one of the major reason behind this jahil ttp ideology is lack of education!! had they been educated and literate!! things wouldnt hav been this worse! its so easy to brainwash someone who hasnt even gotten basic education!! ... is completly ignorant!

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yes ur right. afghans must be sent back. but mind it that the ttp brains and top management is not illiterate. they know how to manage everything and they are well trained and are very clever

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ofcourse .. how can I forget!! who is backing ttp! :(

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Lol majority of ttp are from NW Pakistan. There is no such thing as Sindh Taliban. Hakimullah Mehsud wasn't born in Karachi or Hyderabad, he was born in FATA. Im not blaming the whole race but it is a clear fact that terrorism in Pakistan is done by these people from North West and Afghans. I guess when people take pride in following a gun culture then it's bound to happen.

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US cautious, media raises security questions By Anwar Iqbal | From the Newspaper

WASHINGTON: The Obama administration strongly condemned on Monday the terrorist attack on a naval base in Karachi but avoided getting involved in the media debate on the security of Pakistan`s nuclear weapons.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner noted that the attack underscored the need for continuing cooperation between the US and Pakistan in the war against terror despite differences over the May 2 raid on Osama bin Laden`s compound.

“We strongly condemn this terrorist attack and we`re committed to working with Pakistan… in a joint effort to combat this kind of violent extremism,” Mr Toner told a briefing in Washington.

“It just illustrates that Pakistan is under enormous pressure and threat from these kinds of groups. And they suffer… considerably from this kind of violent extremism,” he said.

The attack also “speaks to the ongoing need for close counter-terrorism cooperation, even or in spite of some of the questions raised by the Bin Laden raid,” he added.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague also noted that the “attack once again demonstrates the seriousness of the threat that Pakistan faces from domestic militancy and extremism.”

Like the US, Britain also offered to help Pakistan combat violent extremists responsible for this and other attacks in the country.

**While officials were cautious in their reaction, media outlets across the globe linked the Karachi attack to the question of security of Pakistan`s nuclear arsenal.

“And what does it imply for security at other key installations, not least those associated with Pakistans nuclear deterrent?” asked BBCs defence and diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus.

The Washington Examiner newspaper adopted an alarmist approach, claiming that “the attack points out to the increasing radicalisation of the armed forces of Pakistan, as such an attack could not be planned and executed without some inside help from someone inside the Pakistani Navy”.

The newspaper warned that “if the terrorists can get hold of any IRBM and nuclear materials, a few Indian and Israeli cities, and a few thousand Nato soldiers in Afghanistan might go up in smoke.”

The attack “underscored the insurgents` ability to penetrate fortified security installations,” The Washington Post noted. It quoted several analysts as saying that “it was likely they were helped by people inside the base.”

The incident “dealt another embarrassing blow to a powerful military that has faced harsh domestic criticism over the US operation that killed Bin Laden,” the Post added.

“The Bin Laden raid also raised questions about the safety of Pakistan`s nuclear arsenal, and defence analysts said the Karachi assault renewed those doubts,” the Post added.**

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you can lol all you want, and when you get some time dear then read some history.
no wonder things are so confusing for you.

lol @ oil reserves

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dont worry abt me... I know my country's history more thn you do!!

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well then tell me who created taliban?

i worry about you, you are so confused :)

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So the result is there, western media is raising questions about the security of nuclear arsenal of Pakistan, if group of 5/6 people can take own naval base, destroy most important weaponry of modern warfare, then what would stop them to enter any of the nuclear installation of Pakistan??? the question was joke till 1st of May, but since then, it is been repeatedly demonstrated that our reaction time to any incident is outdated and require serious upgrade.

Secondly the intelligence agencies under shuja Pasha have totally failed to perform their duties... an SHO of any police station may seem to be more effective than these so-called agents...

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What I guess Hanibal. Govt/ISI hiding too many things from even normal security agencies like rangers/police/FIA, they are not acting like a team in passing informations quickly etc!! specially about joint terror efforts meanwhile we seems to be fighting with a bunch of enemies, local taliban with help of afghani talibans and their secret masters.

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^^ I think it is about time that Pakistan create a force to combat terrorist of any kind any where including cross-border... the force should be comprise of best combat officers from ISI, MI, IB and Police, they should have following mandate:

1) Found/locate terror groups working against Pakistan's interest

2) Destroy the leadership and foundation of group, kill the leader and his children and all the family member, let that be lesson to any new emerging leaders of any new terror network...

3) Indiscriminately take actions against all terrorist kind activities including target-killing kind of activities in Karachi and Balochistan

4) Spare no one, prosecute no one, Just shoot to kill, let the enemy know that the only way to survive is run in opposite direction

5) For likes of Raymond Davis, Just have shoot at sight behavior for them...

6) Cross into Afghanistan to destroy terror-camps there

unless a special force for such action is not constituted and that is also asap, we would soon be having an other attack on another important strategic location...

As for Shuja Pasha, Now i am forced to think that he is instrumental in providing assistance to Zardari in few or many of his missions i.e. buying/bullying politicians etc... that is how he got his extension...

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^ i like the idea, but i think the women and children shouldn't be harmed...

EyesonSky is absolutely right, if all of them wont work like a team, these things will happen every day till its gonna be too late to sort things out... many of the analysts are saying that the USA is making grounds, preparing a case to prove that their army is needed in Pakistan to protect its assets.. and well everyone knows what happens when US comes in town to protect your peace, security and assets..

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i don't understand why these arabs (so called foreigner terrorists) have to come all the way to Pakistan, don't they have anything to do in their corrupted countries? there was this report on Tribune about Saudias and UAEs involvement in funding the relegious extremists in Pakistan. UAE i can understand.. but Saudia?? why!

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wonder what would be in the report of Rehman Malik !!! Mission Accomplished Boss, i have already spoken to the supplier of ORION air-craft he agrees to pay the commission, i have created a company to receive the commission… and icing on the cake, Kiyani won’t be talking to you in rude/high tone, not for next 30 days…

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He is telling that I am successful to enter there.
Remember he was not allowed to enter at the time of GHQ attack.

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Pakistan once used to be a proud military, now laughing stock of the world.

Karachi siege exposes Pakistan military’s vulnerabilities

That a small group of Pakistani Taliban militants could find and exploit a weak spot to enter the Mehran Naval Station in Karachi, and then fight off troops for 17 hours, raises new questions about the military’s preparedness.

By Alex Rodriguez and Brian Bennett, Los Angeles Times
May 24, 2011

Reporting from Islamabad and Washington— The team of Islamist militants knew exactly where the naval base’s weak spot was.

Dressed in black and armed with AK-47 rifles, grenades and rocket launchers, they crept up to the back wall of Mehran Naval Station in Karachi, keeping clear of security cameras. Then, with just a pair of ladders, they clambered over the wall, cutting through barbed wire at the top, to launch a 17-hour siege that would renew disturbing questions about the Pakistani military’s ability to defend sensitive installations, including its nuclear arsenal.

The team, believed to consist of four to six militants, destroyed two U.S.-supplied maritime surveillance aircraft and engaged security forces in hours of pitched firefights. It was not until late Monday afternoon that Pakistani forces regained full control of the facility.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik said 10 Pakistani security personnel were killed and 15 were injured. Four militants died and two were believed to have escaped, he said.

The Pakistani Taliban, the country’s homegrown insurgency with ties to Al Qaeda, claimed responsibility for the attack, which it said was meant to avenge the May 2 killing of Osama bin Laden in the military city of Abbottabad.

**The breach is likely to raise worries among leaders in the United States and Europe about the security of Pakistan’s approximately 100 nuclear weapons.

“I’m sure there will be concerns around the world about this, there’s no doubt about it,” said security analyst Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani general. “I think Pakistan will have to make certain that anything like this cannot be repeated from the standpoint of nuclear installations.”**

**Masood called the siege “a very strong indictment of Pakistan and its security forces and their ability to defend themselves. It will have a very demoralizing effect on the people, because if the security forces are unable to secure themselves and defend themselves, what expectations can the people have that the security forces will be able to defend the population?”

In Washington, retired Army Lt. Gen. David W. Barno said the attack “comes at a tough time for the Pakistani military. Not only was the U.S. able to infiltrate Pakistan and kill Osama bin Laden under their noses, now militants attack a Pakistani base. This has a shock value.”
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Barno, who led the military command in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and now is a senior fellow at the Washington-based Center for a New American Security, said the U.S. military is increasingly concerned that militant sympathizers appear to have infiltrated Pakistan’s military and intelligence services.

The siege at the naval base in Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city and its financial capital, began about 10:30 p.m. Sunday. Interior Minister Malik said the militants avoided the base’s heavily fortified front gate, instead approaching from behind, near the Shah Faisal Colony, a low-income neighborhood where Islamist militants have been arrested in the past.

They crossed a small stream behind the base, then used one of the ladders they had brought with them. Malik said the militants apparently knew about a gap in the coverage of two security cameras and chose that location to get inside. They placed the second ladder on the inside of the wall, climbed down, and darted toward the two large surveillance aircraft, kept in a hangar.

“They used very tactfully, intelligently, the place where there’s a gap where both cameras could not see,” Malik said.

Once on the tarmac, they blew up one of two P-3C Orion surveillance aircraft, given to the Pakistani navy by the U.S. in June. The explosion of the craft’s fuel tank destroyed the second surveillance plane nearby. The aircraft had special equipment for the detection of submarines and were used for maritime patrols.

Seventeen foreigners — six American and 11 Chinese workers — who were at the base when the siege began were unhurt. U.S. Embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez said the Americans were private contractors providing technical support for the surveillance aircraft. They were not connected with the embassy.

Of the 10 Pakistani security personnel killed, three were Navy commandos and one was a navy lieutenant who led a team of commandos to confront the militants once they had reached the surveillance aircraft, Malik said.

Three of the militants were shot to death by Pakistani security forces. The fourth went inside an office building at the base and detonated the explosives vest he was wearing. Malik said security forces were checking to see whether the militant had set any booby traps in the building.

Peter W. Galbraith, former deputy U.N. representative to Afghanistan, said the siege was not necessarily “indicative that the military is incompetent.”

“It is the dynamic of having lots of military locations and militants that can try to fight their way onto one of them,” said Galbraith, now a fellow at the Washington-based Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation.

**In October 2009, militants stormed the army headquarters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi and took hostages, setting off a 22-hour standoff that ended in the deaths of 23 people, including nine militants.
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For militants to infiltrate sites storing the nuclear arsenal would require a level of sophistication not yet seen by the groups, Galbraith said. “It is one thing to be able to get 18 people into a secure base and kill 12 security guards. It is another thing to try to grab a nuclear weapon and take it out. And then what would they do it? Some of these concerns are overwrought.”

At the same time, Galbraith said, there is a general concern about Pakistan, “a country building a lot of nuclear weapons. For what? That is troubling.”

Barno agreed that U.S. officials had “pretty high confidence” in the security of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal, having received repeated assurances that Pakistan maintains a complex system of safeguards, including storing the weapons unassembled and away from the launch apparatus.

The Pakistani Taliban had vowed to avenge Bin Laden’s killing with attacks on both Pakistanis and Americans. Their first major retaliatory strike came May 13, when twin suicide bombings killed at least 80 Pakistani paramilitary force recruits in the northwestern town of Shabqadar. On Friday, a car bombing targeted two U.S. Consulate vehicles in the northwestern city of Peshawar, killing a Pakistani bystander and slightly injuring the Americans.

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Rumour has it that navy (chief admiral noman bashir ) is exploring the possibility of relocating facilities far away from residential areas.
Translated - multi billion rupees relocatin bill and a grand “Bahria town” residential scheme. :chai:

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Instead of hatching conspiracy theories, we should be demanding mehran base commander’s “statue” next to this plane on front gate. Our media has time for conspiracy theories but not for asking the right questions.