The Hadith of the curbed rib is true ... How it should be understood and explained is very subtle and should be done with wisdom ... What it means is that women prefer to do things for you out of the goodness of their heart, when you do things for them ... They find it harder than men to take direct instruction, because they perceive that as oppression, whereas men may perceive that as being made useful and involved. Directness is straight and indirectness is curved ... That is the limit of this metaphor. Allah (SWT) Knows Best.
I said his conclusion part was out of the way and there are other ways to make him realise his mistake than these threats and blocking roads. This episode has made JJ quite vulnerable, if he chose to stay in Pakistan and carry on his activities like before.
Being so knowledgeable and all, he should've known better. But anyway, iss ka British asylum pakka! Probably others will follow his example now.
The Hadith of the curbed rib is true ... How it should be understood and explained is very subtle and should be done with wisdom ... What it means is that women prefer to do things for you out of the goodness of their heart, when you do things for them ... They find it harder than men to take direct instruction, because they perceive that as oppression, whereas men may perceive that as being made useful and involved. Directness is straight and indirectness is curved ... That is the limit of this metaphor. Allah (SWT) Knows Best.
I think the part of JJ's speech being produced is incomplete. What did he say before quoting incident of Hazrat Ayesha (RA) would have made things more clear about his intention and the final conclusion which has been promoted as a blasphemy.
I think the part of JJ's speech being produced is incomplete. What did he say before quoting incident of Hazrat Ayesha (RA) would have made things more clear about his intention and the final conclusion which has been promoted as a blasphemy.
The problem is these anti-Tablighi activists want to cling on to mannerism rather than intention ... We can clearly see that the intention of JJ was not for harm or ridicule ... But the opposite ... However, they find something to grab to demonise and this is in fact a political war and has nothing to do with love for Islam or the holy and respected people of the past.
Likewise, he JJ should have known that was coming ...
I think the part of JJ's speech being produced is incomplete. What did he say before quoting incident of Hazrat Ayesha (RA) would have made things more clear about his intention and the final conclusion which has been promoted as a blasphemy.
Correct. Things should be taken in perspective. I cannnot beleive JJ can even think to dishonor BIBI AYSHA. Even in this speech he is using the words Amma Aysah throughout the clip. However I do agree that he should have been more careful .
The reaction is toooo much exaggerated. Some people want to " chumkaning their dukan with each and every issue "
As I said earlier, it is not about Blasphemy or apology... in Pakistan all religious leaders and politicians are committing blasphemy on daily/hourly basis... although they are not saying it but their actions are totally against Quran & Sunnah...
It is about getting into lime light, JJ, a well known person, one can agree or disagree with him in civilized manner.. but where is the CONTENT in this for News Channel... i mean how can they do Siapa-Faroshi.. and then comes guys like Sarwat Qadri who would do anything to get on tv or media attention..
Earlier ARY/Mubashir Luqman did it, for their own political or financial gain and now others are doing it for same reason...
And what is the logical part it in? You know Saudis bulldozed graves of all these people (ISIS is still doing it), but we didn't hear peep from Pakistani mullahs. So, why is there so much outrage over silly stuff? Prophet SAW was a human being just like rest of us. He faced trials and tribulations like normal human beings do in his life. So what JJ said was could theoretically have had happened.
Actually, it should cause an outrage, not by mullahs but by organizations who fight for equal rights for women.
The real issue here isnt that one of prophet's wives are being portrayed as crooked, the real issue is that women in general are being called crooked.
As always, our priorities are based on religious superstition rather than logic.
Jazak Allah…this chapter should be closed now. Yes his original remarks were definitely troubling (that does not mean he he hanged for that ) but now that he has apologized unconditionally fully accepting his mistake, we should simply move on.
Jazak Allah....this chapter should be closed now. Yes his original remarks were definitely troubling (that does not mean he he hanged for that ) but now that he has apologized unconditionally fully accepting his mistake, we should simply move on.
He made a derogatory remark about women in general, for which he was not chastised, so for that he did not apology.
The question beckons, is the remark he made on women in general, a mindset thats prevalent in Pakistan? Whats more worrying, that someone believe the prophet's wives had the same personality traits as other human beings, or that women in general are viewed (by many) as crooked beings, in Pak?
He made a derogatory remark about women in general, for which he was not chastised, so for that he did not apology.
The question beckons, is the remark he made on women in general, a mindset thats prevalent in Pakistan? Whats more worrying, that someone believe the prophet's wives had the same personality traits as other human beings, or that women in general are viewed (by many) as crooked beings, in Pak?
yeah after brelvis now let the feminazis loose on him. Sorry mate but he's had enough of it.
Actually, it should cause an outrage, not by mullahs but by organizations who fight for equal rights for women.
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The real issue here isnt that one of prophet's wives are being portrayed as crooked, the real issue is that women in general are being called crooked.**
As always, our priorities are based on religious superstition rather than logic.
I agree. When I saw what he said and HOW it was said, and in what TONE, with people laughing at how women can be such attention mongers, and fake illnesses just to get attention (i.e. DRAMA QUEENS/CRAZIES), then it offended me as a woman.
No, maybe Aisha (R) really actually had a headache, and if she ever did say something about how he is waiting for her to die so he can go after other women (really? Where is the proof she ever said anything about that??), then so what? So she is talking about her feelings with her husband, and that is NORMAL in a relationship.
If you are in a relationship, do you not appreciate your spouse's attention on you, and get happy when your spouse is paying attention to your health? How should this be perceived as "Oh those crazy desans"???
Regardless of the fact if it happened or not, Would he talk about his own mum like that?
Exactly, these same mullahs who tsk tsk at "how women are", and how we're all crazy and drama queens and not in control of our emotions and use historical data and twist it, would never do the same to their mom. When mommy has a headache, it's real, it's not faked. And we should all do a round of "hai Allah's" and "duas" for ami jaan when she has a headache.
If it's about some headache that a WIFE of a PROPHET had, then it becomes a justification for how all women are crooked and they make up illnesses to nab male attention.
No, I do not fake headaches to make a guy give me attention. If I have a headache, it's because that guy is GIVING ME A HEADACHE. And I'm not CRAZY or CROOKED RIB for telling him that he is giving me a headache. It's a DIRECT, very DIRECT (unlike the metaphor of a crooked rib) communication.
And yes, women are VERY CAPABLE of direct communication.
It's just when we communicate what a guy doesn't want to hear, we become 1) crazy 2) crooked, and 3) hadith's that never had this intention and actions of the Prophet (SAW) that were NEVER meant to label women as such are misused to actually label women as such.
^ Yes, and that She (RA) is not an average woman anyways.
*Even if you have to put down women, you never use wife of Prophet (PBUH) as an example. *
However, he has apologized and such apology should be taken on face value.
A real muslim doesn't put down women. We have Rasullullah's (SAW) example for that, and MOREOVER, we have the Quran for that. You do not need to reference hadith for this basic concept, basic common courtesy, good upbringing and the Quran gives you ample knowledge of this, yet people still put down women.
No woman, not just a prophet's wife, should be used as an example to put down women. Do we do the same to men? How many ***-ups out there exist that are men? If we use the same attitude towards women, then indeed, muslim men are all pigs, I guess. (because of the few examples out there of bad guys).