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Wilders says calm Muslim response to film is "responsible" and "respectable". Looks forward to dialogue, something which Muslims have a problem doing.
Since you were saying earlier that the film is against "some Muslims", does Wilders want dialog with those "some Muslims"?
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Whether correctly or incorrectly, muslims need to understand that there is genuine fear in their adopted countries.
Fear of hate-mongers like Wilders.
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Since you were saying earlier that the film is against "some Muslims", does Wilders want dialog with those "some Muslims"?
Yes. He wants peace with Muslims. He says it's only upto Muslims to denounce violence and enjoy a peaceful coexistence in Europe.
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Fear of hate-mongers like Wilders.
all hate mongers are to be feared.
but I was referring to fears about islamization and associated violence, loss of heritage etc.
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I wonder how many people who are condemning the film, Fitna in here and in media actually saw it?????
Empty venom.
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Yes. He wants peace with Muslims. He says it's only upto Muslims to denounce violence and enjoy a peaceful coexistence in Europe.
What a way to promote peace and harmony. Respect breeds respect and vice versa.
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^ I saw two parts in the film: the compilation of the jihadi atack videos - these nobody can refute happened and so cannot be considered lack of respect in any shape or form.
the other part is the quotes from quran of certain verses that Geert thinks are indicative that the jihadi attacks are not merely the work of the lunatic fringes within Islam but are actually as per quranic decree.
So why not take the same verses and provide a clear explanation of why those things mean something else?
Wouldn't that be the thing to do?
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Yes. He wants peace with Muslims. He says it's only upto Muslims to denounce violence and enjoy a peaceful coexistence in Europe.
But you said earlier that this movie is against "some Muslims". Then how come he have peace and dialog with Muslims in general?
And if he is talking about peace and non-violence then why is the world, including European leaders, criticizing him for this movie?
Do you want me to repeat what the world is saying about that hate-mongering Wilders?
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^ the world is criticizing him mostly because otherwise there will widespread fatwas and calls for jihads from numerous outfits (eg: as it happened with Rushdie). So let's not o overboard and start mixing the message and the medium.
The most effective way for muslims to deal with this is to convert this film into an opportunity and publicize their interpretation of these very verses that Geert is quoting in the film and show the world if he has it wrong.
His main point is that muslims by decree of Quran seek to islamize the world by whatever means, the jihadi attacks being examples. That is the theme. Don't you think that has to be refuted with logic?
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But you said earlier that this movie is against "some Muslims". Then how come he have peace and dialog with Muslims in general?
"Peaceful" muslims have two choices: either stop the psychos from blowing up Europe OR dont complain when you're accused of being complicit. When you have a family member that is misbehaving - you straigten them out. If you have a problem being called a "violent people" then do something to stop your people from being violent. That has not happened. Muslims would much rather complain about unfair treatment than tackle Islamic terrorism.
And if he is talking about peace and non-violence then why is the world, including European leaders, criticizing him for this movie?
They agree with Wilders but are afraid of Muslim kids from Bradford getting on a bus and blowing up a bomb. THAT is why they denounce him.
Do you want me to repeat what the world is saying about that hate-mongering Wilders?
No. Dont bother because you have no idea what you're talking about. Muslims started hating Europe long before Wilders came into the picture. To say that Wilders is a hate mongerer is simply absurd. Muslims are the real hate-mongerers and Wilders merely presented it to the world.
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This is a hate propaganda directed against Muslims...Same sort of movies were created by the Nazis against the Jews...
Difference is, Goebbels got the death penalty...This guy should be sentenced to the same...
And those that are praising this movie or saying there is nothing wrong with it are saying in a way that hatred and hate mongering is fine against Muslims and Islam, and they themselves are enemies of Islam and Muslims and hate everything that is Islamic and love and admire everything that is anti-Islam...
They have the greatest amount of hatred in their hearts for Muslims...
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^ You shouldn't stereotype and genralize so much. I think the hatred of most people is towards the types that demand the death penalty for free speech, not Muslims or Islam.
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hskhan:
Instead of replying to the question, you are running in circles.
All the above is irrelevant talk.
I repeat the question:
HOW CAN THE EXTREMIST WILDERS HAVE A DIALOG WITH TRUE MUSLIMS IF YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THE MOVIE IS DIRECTED ONLY AGAINST “SOME MUSLIMS”?
Also, where is the reference to his calling for dialog?
Your hate-mongering “genius” says that Islam’s prophet would have been “hunted down as terrorist” today. Is this statement against “some Muslims” or all Muslims? **If it is against all Muslims then how can you talk about dialogue? **
This is a dumb argument to have by extremist enemies of Muslims like you and Wilders.
hskhan:
Oh really? Did they tell you that? Or was it their spokesmen? Or was it in your wet dream? 
Do you realize how stupid it looks like when you say that?
Talking about “dialog”. Here is what one Muslim got when he asked for it. Wilders chickened out.
http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2008/03/27/47495.html
After reading an interview with Wilders in the Observer on February 17, 2008, I sent the Guardian editor-in-chief Alan Rusbridger, one of the best British journalists, a letter asking him to help me arrange a dialogue with Wilders on the issue. I also sent a similar letter to Wilders to his own address, to the address of the Dutch parliament, and to the Observer. When I did not receive any reply, my personal assistant sent a letter to them all on March 7, 2008 reminding them of my request. I repeated the request made to Wilders on the 20th of this month.
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I think the hatred of most people is towards the types that demand the death penalty for free speech, not Muslims or Islam.
Please tell this to hskhan, who is saying that even though this movie is against people who "demand the death penalty for free speech", but also says that he wants some sort of "dialogue" with ALL Muslims through this movie.
He seems to be unable to comprehend that one can not have dialogue with people who are not his intended audience in the movie in the first place.
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:k:
The end.
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"It’s quite ironic that Daniel Pipes (one of the few anti-Islam hatemongers) finds it so easy to ignore the fact that eleven European countries (including ones that he lists as standing with Denmark in his article), as well as his own State of Israel, have laws which make public denial of the Holocaust a crime. Based on Pipes’ own thinking, such an undermining of free speech should have spelled the end for Western Civilization. Why didn’t Pipes whine that this violated the Western “customs and mores” that he claims to value so highly? Without a decent response to these questions (and if he had one, he would have used it), I’ll just say that the “H-word” certainly comes to mind.
When the U.S. House passed a constitutional amendment banning flag burning as a form of free speech , why didn’t Pipes and his cohorts surmise that this was tantamount to medieval Islamo-Fascist oppression that would cause American freedom to come to an end? Likewise, many U.S. states have laws, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld as constitutional back in 2003 (1]2]), prohibiting burning a Christian cross. Why didn’t Daniel Pipes and his fellow hypocrites complain that this compromised Americans’ right to free speech and that they were now on a slippery slope towards the end of Western Civilization? Like always, the one-eyed Dajjalian approach of hate-mongers becomes apparent whenever the facts get in the way of their agenda."
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Yeaaaaahhh… How does that work? While one form of speech against a certain “questionable” tragedy is forbidden to speak against, let alone question. Yet, feel free to blast Islam and all it stands for in the name of free speech, and you’ll have no “legal” issues whatsoever.
Why the double-standards? Some folks find this hard to swallow (including some Ultra-left, brainwashed “so-called” muslims who have the name and just the name to show for it).
Try making a film on the very existance of Israel or the zionist agenda, and you’ll not only get death threats by the elite (i.e. Mossad and associates), you might even get stripped of your citizenship, denied any financial dealings (wonder why?) and everything else that follows, along with a the forever label of ‘Anti-semite’. Where goes this thing called Tolerance and Freedom of speech then?
It’s a known fact, that terrorism WAS used by the zionists from get-go. King david hotel bombing, and the man behind it gets an award, no film made. Germans committ genocide of the Jews, they get a slap on the wrist, and Jews are moved to Palestine. No film EVER made.
It is not in the interest of muslims to make films tainting others. Yet, the propaganda seems to be coming from those champions of peace who use every chance they get to not only demonize Islam and all it stands for, but go as far as to question Why can’t muslims be more like us!..
Gets ridiculous after a while.
I have said before, and i will say again. Violence is not the way. Absolutely not. Muslims who adopt this method are doing nothing but inflicting harm on themselves and the religion. But, having said that, it does not give anyone, let alone any non-muslim to pick up a copy of the Quran and cherry-pick verses out of context and justify that spreading the hatred against an entire religion.
It is very apparent (even if some choose to turn a blind eye) that his purpose for this was not to shake and wake Muslims as a good gesture. His purpose was to further embed the seeds of hate and antimosity. The film btw was a joke. My younger brother can do better on his powerpoint.
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This is a hate propaganda directed against Muslims...Same sort of movies were created by the Nazis against the Jews...
Difference is, Goebbels got the death penalty...This guy should be sentenced to the same...
And those that are praising this movie or saying there is nothing wrong with it are saying in a way that hatred and hate mongering is fine against Muslims and Islam, and they themselves are enemies of Islam and Muslims and hate everything that is Islamic and love and admire everything that is anti-Islam...
They have the greatest amount of hatred in their hearts for Muslims...
Wilder's had real documented video tapes by the people who gave fodder and fuel for the film Islmofacists and jihadists are Goebbelian in nature,.
Is the film really hatemongering or a portrayal of islamofacism, and jihadists who have used Quran to aid and abet those who have committed the deeds as fully documented in Fitna. The over zealous threatening responses Geert's recieved by those who have committed the acts or support the acts he has documented in Fitna is quite understandable. Gives material for another film.
Condemn the subject matter and evidence which contributed to the topic of the movie and not the messenger.
People who follow islam and who use the Quran for nefarious intent should by the rest of our muslim community be vehemently denounced and exposed to authorities then we would not have these sorts in the midst begetting islamofacism and jihadism.
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Wilder's had real documented video tapes by the people who gave fodder and fuel for the film Islmofacists and jihadists are Goebbelian in nature,.
Is the film really hatemongering or a portrayal of islamofacism, and jihadists who have used Quran to aid and abet those who have committed the deeds as fully documented in Fitna. The over zealous threatening responses Geert's recieved by those who have committed the acts or support the acts he has documented in Fitna is quite understandable. Gives material for another film.
Condemn the subject matter and evidence which contributed to the topic of the movie and not the messenger.
** People who follow islam and who use the Quran for nefarious intent** should by the rest of our muslim community be vehemently denounced and exposed to authorities then we would not have these sorts in the midst begetting islamofacism and jihadism.
Who's gonna decide that? You? Or the Ultra-liberals who themselves don't understand Quran? Or those who spend their entire lives in the islamic studies but their definitions are hard to swallow for the non-practicing muslims? Extreme Left and Extreme right are both dangerous. They're both exremists at their own levels.
You decide and enlighten us, so we know the kinda of "guardians" of faith we should look out for.
BTW, to put Islam and facism together to make a word out of it is Facism, itself.
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^ it is stupid, but not fascist teggy.
Islamo fascism is a term used by people who have either very little idea about fascism, or Islam. Fascism is an ultra-nationalist type of ideology with certain specific traits, such as corporatism, collectivism, elitism, racism/nationalism, anti-communism etc. While there is difference of opinion on what exactly comprises fascism very little in those definitions points to more than a superficial link with Islam.
It is merely a connection of two words that make islamophobes queezy to make them queezier.
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^ so an islamofascist means an islamic bully?