Blaming Other Nations for Ons Own Problems

A consistent theme in our press and some of intelligentsia is that militancy, cruelty, violence are foreign influences, that have come from Arabs. While subcontinental people are inherently friendly, tolerant and peaceful. It is Arabs that came for Afghan Jihad that turned a minority into cruel killing machines.

Funnily enough, its the very same idea that is being increasingly flouted among Arabs but in reverse. That they are inherently humane, cultured and kind. They believe it is the Arabs that went to Afghanistan for Jihad, who came back and brought violent ideology and behavior with them and recruited other young men, took them to Afghanistan for training and made them into violent jihadists. Their press is also full of reports that large number of fighters of ISIS are not arabs and they are committing most heinous crimes. Even the Syrians are talking about shias from Pakistan & Iran fighting for Assad, are more brutal than Asad forces.

Why is this?

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We know the situation due to Afghan war and what sort of transformations Pakistan saw as a result. There is a lot of money and brain washing involved from Saudis, but we cant absolve our leaders as well.

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Effectively these are the people who the Saudi’s got rid of in the garb of Afghan ‘jehad’.

1979: Remembering ‘The Siege Of Mecca’ : NPR

Even now the Saudi’s dont have any issue with ISIS as long as they stay away from Saudi lands.

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when they have no progress in investigation, the best option is to blame third forces in order to deflect their inefficiencies and hence find a scapegoat to quieten the masses.

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I am sorry to say for the masses Saudi's are innocent angels. The real 'scapegoats' are Americans.

While condemning the Americans day in day out how can we ignore their lap dogs?

I remember a decade back when I started frequenting Afghan forums they had a lot of hatred for Saudi indoctrination in the context of their country. I couldnt understand it then. I can clearly see the impact in my own country now.

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btw, do you differentiate Saudis from American when it comes to their foreign policies? well, i don't. can Saudis disagree with uncle Sam?

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if thats the case then the role of Saudi's in destabilizing the Islamic world needs to be highlighted.

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Why?

because rectifying ones own blunders and mistakes is much difficult than blaming others.

The myth of sub-continent people being peaceful fall on its fours when you can see folk literature of various races of sub-continent and the kind of legends to equate killing of innocent people in wars as bravery.

In current scenario of Pakistan blaming USA, Saudi, Iran and India sound phatta huwa dhol, when you see the kind of people running the country. Need I mention pearls of Qaim Ali Shah or threats of Altaf Hussain or Shahbaz Sharif's being bheegi billi before Taliban?

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I don't see it as a nationalistic issue as most Arabs themselves are victims of the wahabi ideology ...wahabi ideology doesn't equal Arab ideology...in fact, there's no such thing as Arab ideology or Arab violence.

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yes according to, what ever I read. Thats were it all started.
Then it was used against soviet union.
Since then those floating "mujahidin" are issue for islamic world.
Arabs dont want them back. etc etc

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the Saudia and Egyptians had these people before the Afghan war. During the war they funneled them into Afghanistan. As they say, what goes around comes around...they are knocking their doors now in Syria and iraq.

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I think it was one guy deported from egypt, saudi took him in. He started this all. I think.

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afaik, both afghans and arabs have a lot of cruel tribal influences inherently. neither side can point fingers when they take pride in things like exacting revenge.

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read the article that I posted above (post #3](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3) ), the seizure of the grand mosque which was the precursor for formation of Alqaeda. That event is from 79, the same year when Afghan war started.

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“Unfortunately, we are still in denial,” journalist Jamal Khashoggi said. Writing in Saudi-owned pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat in June, he said: “It is time we asked ‘what went wrong’ and let’s search within ourselves.”

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But Turki al-Hamad, a well-known Saudi liberal, argues that the clerics are ill-suited to the task. Writing in the London-based al-Arab newspaper recently, he said: “How can [our scholars] respond [to] Isis . . . and all the other parasites which have sprung up on the margin of Islam, when its germs grew among us and within our homes and it was us who nurtured its thought and rhetoric until it grew?”

Mr Qassim and others point to a tendency within the Saudi establishment to blame the rise of Isis on the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist group founded in Egypt, whose form of gradualist Islamist politics based on elections poses a direct challenge to the Saudi system. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates supported the overthrow of the Brotherhood in Egypt last year, and Riyadh banned the organisation earlier this year.

Abdullah bin Bijad al-Otaibi, a columnist with theSaudi-owned pan-Arab daily Asharq Al-Awsat, argued recently that Isis owes more to the Brotherhood than to Wahhabi teaching, which is rooted in Salafist tradition, or the following of early Islamic practice.

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Mr Otaibi argues that violent groups in Egypt that predated al-Qaeda, such as al-Gamaa al-Islamiya, were “a pure Brotherhood product”. He says they were inspired by the writings of Sayyed Qutub, a radical Brotherhood theoretician who taught that modern Islamic societies lived in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance of religion. Mr Qutub’s call for jihad to overthrow secular governments has informed both extremist and more mainstream Islamist ideology.

But Isis’s ultra-violence against religious minorities is also viewed by political analysts and critics as an amplification of Wahhabi hatred for the Shia branch of Islam.

Anti-Shia discrimination remains widespread in Saudi Arabia, despite the king’s efforts over the past decade to foster more tolerant interpretations of Islam and to appoint some local Shia to the country’s advisory council.

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We should see the statement of Prince Bandar with the one given by a Saudi minister after the recent killing of Shias?

“He said these acts were being carried out by those who want “to open the door to sectarian conflict so that we kill and destroy each other,” he warned in a televised speech on Tuesday.”](http://www.arabnews.com/news/655811)
Does this mean that they want sectarianism only in other countries?
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country - Comment - Voices - The Independent

How far is Saudi Arabia complicit in the Isis takeover of much of northern Iraq, and is it stoking an escalating Sunni-Shia conflict across the Islamic world? Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: **“The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally ‘God help the Shia’. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.”

**The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.

In the event, Saudi Arabia adopted both policies, encouraging the jihadis as a useful tool of Saudi anti-Shia influence abroad but suppressing them at home as a threat to the status quo. It is this dual policy that has fallen apart over the last year.

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Tbh its a syndrome in every nation. UK for instance. The living standards have dipped, economy is in see-saw mode, the Gov thinks its okay to spend money on useless wars then on their people. Yet who gets the blame?

The falling number of immigrants or EU workers, both of whom contribute far more than the right-wing keyboard warriors. Sometimes nationalism instills a massive sense..of...entitlement and superiority. I don't know if I made sense lol.

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So, who exactly we are trying to blame in this thread for this turmoil?

Arabs?
Wahabi ideology?
Arab leaders?
Arab nations?
Afghanis?
Muslim Brotherhood?
Egyptians?
Assad?
Extremists Arabs?
Secularists Arabs?

I'm confused!!!

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Saudi government and wahhabi ideology...the root cause!

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I am sure we can put Misbah in somewhere