black magic

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Must be the extra phosphorus in their bones

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It must be the extra phosphorus in your brain :P

shooo ~~

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You got nothing fruitful to add....Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring reply...yawn.

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aren't you supposed to recite some verse before you say shoooo?

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I cant tell you that, I am an undercover agent ; ) .. Ooops

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LOL, you cannot comprehend things beyond your scope.

ALLAH is noor, not a body. When we say a person's face is full of noor, its a blessing by ALLAH. Thats just a simple example of noor.

Pious spirits become strong through ALLAH's zikr done in their life time.

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something to make satan run away...

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This I can grasp. The spirit can be strong but for it to be either controlled or to act in conjunction with a human is not something that I can agree with as yet.

But.....be that as it may......my questions still stands......

why go through a middleman for something that I can buy direct?

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^ God is the King, the pious people are vazeer, musheer, darbaan, and other servants. Each with different specialty. These pious people are both kings of their domain and beggars of God.

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Go direct :) Dont use a middle man.

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You are giving lesson number 8 instead of lesson number 1 to a beginner, take it slow so they can grasp. Dont jump to advance levels. This creates more confusions, un-necessary arguements and debates.

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You can also go directly, thats the best thing to do ... the noor of God is in all of us. But First we have to discover it, its a journey .. sometimes it takes a lifetime.

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BMW3FAN

Aye Aye Sir :)

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Thanks BMW.
I am a beginner but I do follow the org structure that restless is talking about.

My point to Restless is simply that the King has said very clearly that he has an open door policy that allows all and sundry to approach him......why then would I approach his vazeers? That's all.

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KING would obviously listen to his vazeer's more than a visitor becoz KING would have placed them Wazeer because of a certain liking for them so HE would listen to them first and more.

So if a wazeer does your sifarish, your job is sure shot done.

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Agreed.....this works....in theory.
But King, in this case, is all-knowing.....not like the kings we would have on earth that needs the vazeers to check and double-check for verification.......King does not require anyone to recommend anyone. King knows what is in a person's heart and mind so King is capable of making the decision on his own without the reference of any vazeer.

Furthermore the King has decreed that one must not bring any other entity between King and myself......so I would be defying his order if I were to rely on a vazeer.

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See if this helps.

"Your helpers are Almighty Allah and His Rasool and those Muslims who perform Salaah and give alms and make Ruku" (5:55,Koran)

and

"Verily, Allah helps them and Jibril and Saaleh Mumineen and then angels are helpers". ( Surah Al-Tehreem: ayat 4)

and

in hadith

The Holy Prophet (SAW) has stated, "There are certain of Allah's servants that have been set aside to fulfil the necessities of the people. People will call to them in their times of need. They are protected from the punishment of Almighty Allah". (Jame Saghir)

and

Allah says in surah Al-Kahf: (18:28)

"Stay tenaciously in the companionship of those who remember their Lord morning and evening, ardently seeking His pleasure, (keen on the glimpse of His sight and eagerly aspiring to glance at His radiant Countenance). Your (affectionate and caring) looks must not but focus them. Do you seek the charisma of the worldly life (shifting your attention away from these self-denying devotees)? And (also) do not follow him whose heart We have made neglectful of Our remembrance and who follows but the urge of his (ill-commanding self) and his case has exceeded all bounds. "

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Thank you....this is helpful. Can you please clarify if these quotations are directly related to the subject of magic or if they are generic?

I still believe that a direct approach is most beneficial.....provided of course that the party themselves have been living in accordance to the tenets of Islam.

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Well, illness also comes from God. But people still go to middlemen, i.e. doctors.

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So none of us have a direct connection to Allah? We can only hope that he'll listen to our duas if they're made by someone else?