black magic and Jadoo

[mahool]

Re: black magic and Jadoo

@Muzna

no…you don’t have to look…I think my question is quite simple…it stems from Captain Obvious’s suggestion that there can be a “good Amil” that does not involve shirk or kufr in his work. I just want to know if this is possible.

everytime that I have come across an amil or even heard of one, I have been told that he is very “powerful” as he has many “jinns” in his control…
I have never come across an amil that has been known to do anything for anyone without the use of such “powers”.

and is it permitted in Islam to communicate with jinns or “use” them?
my understanding, which may well be inaccurate, is that this is frowned upon.

Taking help from evil jin from evil method is a sin. This include all communication, and help.

I can not see any prohibition in taking help for Jaiz and right purpose. Your second question is good, and we need proper discussion.

[TLK]

@Muzna

So by default, if the only method to communicate with the jinns is to involve shirk and kufr, we have no choice but to conclude that said communication is forbidden.

The highlighted part is what I want to confirm.

perhaps some of our friends might have some information…
@psyah @lethal_kamikaze
@TLK

I am no expert on this topic but can give you a Hadees and my two cents.

The hadees goes (paraphrasing) that prophet Mohammed :saw: told people during fajr prayers that the previous night, he encountered a jinn in his room who was there to annoy him. Prophet seized the jinn and thought of tying him to a pillar so he can show to the children of madina in the morning, but changed his mind thinking that influencing a jinn is a capability that his brother prophet Solomon exclusively requested for himself, and he should not disrespect Solomon by going against Solomon’s wish.

To me, this hadees points out two things.

1. Communicating/interacting with jinn is not kufr or shirk, or prophet would not have done that, but
2. Capturing a jinn is against the sunna.

[Muzna]

Re: black magic and Jadoo

okay…so far we have this:

• Communicating/interacting with jinn is not kufr or shirk
• do not see any prohibition in taking help of jinn for jaiz and right purpose
• capturing/holding control of a jinn is against the sunnah

[Captain_Obvious]

Re: black magic and Jadoo

@TLK

I am no expert on this topic but can give you a Hadees and my two cents.

The hadees goes (paraphrasing) that prophet Mohammed :saw: told people during fajr prayers that the previous night, he encountered a jinn in his room who was there to annoy him. Prophet seized the jinn and thought of tying him to a pillar so he can show to the children of madina in the morning, but changed his mind thinking that influencing a jinn is a capability that his brother prophet Solomon exclusively requested for himself, and he should not disrespect Solomon by going against Solomon’s wish.

To me, this hadees points out two things.

1. Communicating/interacting with jinn is not kufr or shirk, or prophet would not have done that, but
2. Capturing a jinn is against the sunna.

Actually the dua of Suleiman (AS) was that nobody be given a kingdom like the one he had after him as far as I can remember. The reasoning used by some who use jinn catching (a separate topic) is that from this you can also deduce that the sunnah also had capturing of jinns for a short while and then setting them free.

[psyah]

Re: black magic and Jadoo

Interacting with Jinn is not disallowed. RasoolAllah (SAW) brought a whole load into Islam in Makkah … He (SAW) is also their prophet … There are shayateen among the Jinn and black magic can be used to invoke the Jinn and use them for evil purposes. That is what is not allowed. Capturing a Jinn is like kidnapping a human … They are crimes.

There are ahadith of Jinn being seen by Sahabah and interacting of their own volition, without external pressure.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: black magic and Jadoo

Peace

This video (lecture in Urdu) will answer lots of your question. I recommend to watch it. link is provided below:

Jinn,Jadoo,Shayaten,Nazray Bad Aur Tawheed By Iqbal Salafi Que And Ans

[Muzna]

Re: black magic and Jadoo

@lethal_kamikaze

Peace

This video (lecture in Urdu) will answer lots of your question. I recommend to watch it. link is provided below:

https://youtu.be/-TTETuIlQI4

:jazak:

I will watch this tomorrow evening when I can pay close attention insha Allah.