Re: black magic and Jadoo
No, what I’m saying is that they might have jinns look at the person in questions (whose details/trace is provided). They (jinns) can tell if the person is afflicted by black magic.
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Okay…then you are talking about an Amil.
So you and I differ on the whole concept of engaging an Amil.
To me, engaging an Amil, who may communicate with Jinns and offer wazeefay and talismans to counter black magic is a no-no.
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Practically, one of the issues with engaging an Amil is that their methods might resemble those of a magician and people may end up engaging the latter instead, due to confusion. Though I’d personally deal with this type of problem in a different way, I don’t see an issue with being treated by an Amil per se. The communication with jinns could involve shirk, but if this is not the case then I don’t have problem with it.
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What is an amil and a roohani person? I’ve never heard of these before.
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Can you please provide the definitions of Alim and Amil and Amil and Magician for further clarification?
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Sure, I’ll define them for you (loosely).
Alim - someone who has studied Ilm (knowledge) or scholar
Amil - translated, it means someone who does amal; in this context it would be related to jinns/magic, though I don’t know all the details of this.
Magician - someone who uses/communicates with jinns to perform magic; the difference between this one and the Amil is that magician’s methods involve acts of shirk and kufr among other things.
Re: black magic and Jadoo
As people stated..yes magic does exist. But i am going to say, unfortunately..and unfortunately, ppl with weak Iman in jealousy or other evil reasons…inflict people in these issues. And this has become norm. We should ask Allah’s protection always.
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Thank you for this.
I am, however, still confused as to the difference between an Amil and a Magician. Does doing “amal” not include using/communicating with jinns?
Because if not, then anyone that recites Quranic ayahs/surahs is doing “amal”. Correct?
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Without going into much detail, the amal that a Amil does are different in nature from what a magician does. What an Amil does would not involve shirk and kufr among other things. What a magician does would involve those things.
Technically, recitation of Qur’an (or zikr or even making salat just to name a few) are amal as well. So while the literal translation of amil means someone who does amal, the term Amil in this context refers to someone who does certain amal to interact with these unseen elements (jinn world, magic etc.)
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Amil is magician. They don’t recite verses from Quran.
Why is Amil magician?
Amil in reality is not magician, and depends on Jinn for all evil work. People who visit Amil for the purpose of magic on other think that Amil is magician.
Amil or black magician can not revert back to Islam. They perform highest level of shirk by disrespecting verses of Quran, eating sh!t.. then finally shaitan send jinn to him. Because Amil is taking help from evil sources he can never come into the fold of Islam. His master is shaitan, who will help him in creating *shar *and fasad.
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I need more clarification. Sorry I don’t mean to be difficult but I am having trouble accepting that anyone who communicates with jinn is on the right side of Islam.
Can anyone please provide references to support the theory that it is possible to:
- be an Amil that communicates with jinn
- perform amal that do not involve shirk and kufr
and remain within the folds of Islam.
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Asan lafzon main, Amil jadogar nahi hota hia.. woh aesay kam karta hai jis say shaitan khush hokar uskay liye jin bhej deta hia… ya koi evil jin uskay pass ajata hia.
Ab yeh Amil, jin ki madad say kartab dekhaye ga aur log samjhain gain kay Amil is magician.
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@Muzna Baji. Jinon ko apni dunay hoti hia… woh insanon main ziydah gultay miltay nahi hian..
Quran ki Surah jin main aya hai kay jinon ka tawhid khatam hogiaya tha… mager phir kuch jinon nay Islam qabool kiya aur shikwa kiya kay unki pass hidaya nahi pohnchi… [exac alfaz mujhay nahi pata, mager kuch issi tarah ka Quran main zikar hia]
iss say pehli wali post main mainay app kay dono sawalaon par jawab diya hia… yeh sab batain mainy mukhtalif khutbat main sunni hian jo kay masjid main hotay hian… kuch videos youtube par bhi hian jo kay app kay post kiye gaye sawalon par behas karti hian… ager app chahian to main post kardon ga. laikin mujhy dohdna paray ga.
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okay…yeh samajh agaya.
now please explain if there is any such thing as a “good Amil” and an “evil Amil”…
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Meri jitni maloomat hia iss topic, Amil good nahi hotay…
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Communication with jinn in and of itself isn’t the issue. In terms of what an Amil does exactly, I couldn’t tell you as I haven’t looked into it in detail. The issue is more of what means are taken to be able to achieve this type of communication. I know that among other things, some people are able to achieve this through kashf. Among other things, I know that the method of Amils involves the recitation of certain ayaat of the Qur’an etc.
The problem arises when there’s use of shirk and kufr to achieve this. I’m not going to post details of that here, but that’s how I know that there is a difference between an Amil and a Sahir (technical term for magician).
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Mager Aalim good hotay hain… Yeh woh buzurg log hotay hian.. jo kay pakeeza hotay hian.. aur neek jin inki suhbat main bethtay hian… kuch jin apny app ko in par zahir kartay hian kay woh jin hia… to istarah say yeh Aalim, black magic ka elaj kartay hian…
Elaj ka matlab yeh nahi hota kay neek jin thek karay ga… neek jin sirf apni dunya main jakar maloomat ikhati karay ga… jo banda mutasir howa hia uski malomat kay iss par jinn ka asar to nahi.. aur aker un neek buzurg ko bata dega. kay kiya kahani chal rahi hia.
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no…you don’t have to look…I think my question is quite simple…it stems from Captain Obvious’s suggestion that there can be a “good Amil” that does not involve shirk or kufr in his work. I just want to know if this is possible.
everytime that I have come across an amil or even heard of one, I have been told that he is very “powerful” as he has many “jinns” in his control…
I have never come across an amil that has been known to do anything for anyone without the use of such “powers”.
and is it permitted in Islam to communicate with jinns or “use” them?
my understanding, which may well be inaccurate, is that this is frowned upon.
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If someone was saying to go a particular Amil because he’s powerful and has lots of jinns in his control, then that would make me think twice as well.
I’d be more concerned about seeing if Islam totally forbids the interaction with jinns, which I haven’t seen evidence for. I’ve never heard of it being something that is forbidden altogether. So at least my current position on it is that it isn’t something forbidden in itself. However, it is often done via methods involving shirk and kufr, so that is what is forbidden.
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So by default, if the only method to communicate with the jinns is to involve shirk and kufr, we have no choice but to conclude that said communication is forbidden.
The highlighted part is what I want to confirm.
perhaps some of our friends might have some information…
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