BJP plan to set life term for cow killing

[hareem01]

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i like what you've said.....captain

[Abhiman]

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@Captain1

Mind you we are not talking about Saudis going to India for killing cows, we are talking about the population who has lived in that place for hundreds/thousands of years... The saying you are using is out of context. Muslims are not insignificant minority, if they are forced to live as insignificant ones then I can bet times won't be good for India in short or long terms.

See I said when in Israel or Pakistan, dont eat pork, and when in Nepal or many states in India, dont eat cow.

Like I said, the minority interests of Muslims (pig killing/eating) have been taken care of in India. So interests of Hindus too must be taken care of. Somewhat like if 14 million interests can be taken care of then so can 850 million interests.

[Captain1]

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@Abhiman

See I said when in Israel or Pakistan, dont eat pork, and when in Nepal or many states in India, dont eat cow.

Like I said, the minority interests of Muslims (pig killing/eating) have been taken care of in India. So interests of Hindus too must be taken care of. Somewhat like if 14 million interests can be taken care of then so can 850 million interests.

How can you take care of "allowed to slaughter/eat cow" and "life term for slaughtering cow" together? Either you are on this side or the other in this case. Many of Hindus claim here that Hinduism is "all-inclusive", "does not ban eating cow" etc then how can Hindus allow/defend the position "life term for killing/slaughtering cow" is kinda confusing.

[sTaLkEr]

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Can cows vote in India? That's a basic right for any living being equivalent to a human :)

[Lahore_981]

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I had asked a simple question.

Is there a difference between cow "killing" and "slaughtering" ?

I need to know it from the Hindu counterparts ...

[Abhiman]

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@Captain1

How can you take care of "allowed to slaughter/eat cow" and "life term for slaughtering cow" together? Either you are on this side or the other in this case. Many of Hindus claim here that Hinduism is "all-inclusive", "does not ban eating cow" etc then how can Hindus allow/defend the position "life term for killing/slaughtering cow" is kinda confusing.

I hope that I have elaborated earlier that pig slaughter in many forms is quite illegal in India. So if Muslim interests are served, so I guess Hindu interests in Hindustan can be served also.

[Captain1]

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@Abhiman

I hope that I have elaborated earlier that pig slaughter in many forms is quite illegal in India. So if Muslim interests are served, so I guess Hindu interests in Hindustan can be served also.

How is forbidding of pig slaughter a Muslim interest? Was it initiated by Muslims? Unless someone was selling pig's meat as "beef" then I don't know how it serves as Muslim interest.

[vineshvk]

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@Captain1

Islam distinguishes between human and animals, who is animal remains animal for the rest of its life and who is human remains human, we are taught to be caring of animal but not to the extent that we give them sort-of-real status of family member.

Obviously it is not the case in hinduism. U dont have to make them a family member but u dont have to kill them as well. Obviously ther is a difference in the thinking. It is in the subcontinent where people are very much sensitive to religious discreations.
People here dont understand the situation in India. Look when u go to temple and to pray and then infront of the temple u have guy killing cow and hanging the corpse upside down and cutting and selling the meat. would that be a sensible thing to do.
As I have already stated that comprehensive ban on killing is not the way. It should be allowed but should not be allowed in public places.
I am not getting ur argument true pakistani, what do u want to convey. Is killing as bad as leting it to live on its own. Please do not argue for argument sake.

[Abhiman]

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@Lahore 981

I had asked a simple question.

Is there a difference between cow "killing" and "slaughtering" ?

I need to know it from the Hindu counterparts ...

Actually there is no difference.

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How is forbidding of pig slaughter a Muslim interest? Was it initiated by Muslims? Unless someone was selling pig's meat as "beef" then I don't know how it serves as Muslim interest.
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Well pig slaughter in many forms is quite illegal in India (thought muslims forbid killing pigs).
I cant post URLs now, but recently a Bollywood actor who is also an animal rights campaigner complained to the Goa CM about illegal pig slaughter in Goa. He was shown a video, which showed pigs were being stabbed from the chest, and beaten cruelly to death.

I am holding a reputed pizza company's ad pamphlet right now. It explicitly says "Ham and pepperoni are pork items".

Thats what I meant by muslim interests being protected. So if Hindus feel offended by cow slaughter, it can be banned, like I dont see any harm in Hindu interests being taken care of.

[Lahore_981]

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@Abhiman

Actually there is no difference.

Have you ever looked into the dictionary what is the meaning of the two?
why do we have two different words for the same things?
Ever wondered?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@Abhiman

Actually there is no difference.

I suggest you open up a dictionary.

@Abhiman

Well pig slaughter in many forms is quite illegal in India (thought muslims forbid killing pigs).

Well, you thought wrong.
There is a difference between killing and slaughtering.

@Abhiman

Like I said, the minority interests of Muslims (pig killing/eating) have been taken care of in India. So interests of Hindus too must be taken care of. Somewhat like if 14 million interests can be taken care of then so can 850 million interests.

That is not a very good argument.
Was this ban on pig slaughter (in India) imposed because of Muslim beliefs? Or was there a different reason? (please provide proper refernces). Did anyone oppose? (i.e: is this something which hindus had to give up?)
Going by your logic, you seem to be saying: because we (hindus) did something for the Muslim belief (minority), we have the right to impose our religious practices on the minorities, by banning something which is prohibited in our religion, but not in the religion of the others. In that case, if you ban cow slaughtering, then India should not be called secular.

[Captain1]

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@Abhiman

Well pig slaughter in many forms is quite illegal in India (thought muslims forbid killing pigs). I cant post URLs now, but recently a Bollywood actor who is also an animal rights campaigner complained to the Goa CM about illegal pig slaughter in Goa. He was shown a video, which showed pigs were being stabbed from the chest, and beaten cruelly to death.

Please try again how forbiddance of pig kill/slaughter is "Muslim" interest? Islam only prohibits consumption of pig (meat), Muslims might be offended if you sell pig meat as beef or put them side-by-side..... but again this law in particular doesn't seem to serve as Muslim interest. May be you can try some other example.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@anjjan

Can you name a single pork shop for non-Muslims in any Islamic State, or in any locality where Muslims are in majority???

Here you go buddy:

http://p.vtourist.com/2287562-Pork_Shop_For_Non_Muslims_only_Dubai-Dubai.jpg
Pork Shop For Non-Muslims
Dubai

[Abhiman]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

I suggest you open up a dictionary.

The end-point is that killing or slaughtering a cow is not allowed in Hinduism.

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Was this ban on pig slaughter (in India) imposed because of Muslim beliefs?
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Yes.

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Did anyone oppose? (i.e: is this something which hindus had to give up?)
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No.

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Going by your logic, you seem to be saying: because we (hindus) did something for the Muslim belief (minority), we have the right to impose our religious practices on the minorities, by banning something which is prohibited in our religion, but not in the religion of the others. In that case, if you ban cow slaughtering, then India should not be called secular.
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Your argument is based on the assumption that only Hindus make the laws in India. So if the majority Hindus allowed Muslim appeasement, so they should force Muslims not to eat beef.

My logic was that in a secular if Muslim beliefs can be taken care of, then so too can Hindu beliefs.
I was told that Egypt and Turkey (being secular) did not ban pork, so they are being secular and so India must also not ban beef.

I raised the counter argument that in secular nations, ALL communities get a fair deal. So if Hindus are prohibited from killing pigs illegally and in prohibited ways, then so too should Muslims be prohibited from killing cows and distributing beef.

And these laws are made by elected reps of the Indian public, All India Muslim Personal Law Board, constitutional exprts et al. not just by Hindus.

Anyways in democracy, majority rules until the fundamental rights of citizens arent violated. So in catholic USA, same-gender marriages arent allowed and denying the Holocaust in Europe is a punishable crime (free-speech goes out of the window).

Anyway India is quite secular. M F Hussain paints nude paintings of Hindu goddesses and sells those paintings for a fortune and roams freely. Zakir Naik also is allowed to preach Islam publicly in India (he even apperas on tv interviews). And Muslims get Hajj subsidy from the gov but Hindus dont get a penny for Amarnath yatra !!!

[USResident]

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^ Fundamental rights not violated. Giving a life sentence for cow killing. Democracy is where the mob rules, doesn't have to right all the time. If the majority agree to do something wrong then it gets done. So people who don't regard a cow as sacred should be put to death. If India were a Hindu state then I can compromise on it because the people living would have to realize that hinduism is upheld in the goverment however in a secular state there should not be a religious ideology dictating the laws of the country. That is the whole point in being secular i.e. you separate your state governance from your religous governance. Cows are sacred to hindus in the religous sense, it should not be part of the governments policy to uphold it such views.

[truepakistani]

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@USResident

^ Fundamental rights not violated. Giving a life sentence for cow killing. Democracy is where the mob rules, doesn't have to right all the time. If the majority agree to do something wrong then it gets done. So people who don't regard a cow as sacred should be put to death. If India were a Hindu state then I can compromise on it because the people living would have to realize that hinduism is upheld in the goverment however in a secular state there should not be a religious ideology dictating the laws of the country. That is the whole point in being secular i.e. you separate your state governance from your religous governance. Cows are sacred to hindus in the religous sense, it should not be part of the governments policy to uphold it such views.

well said. couldn't agree more . if India wasn't a secular country , we wouldn't even be having this discussion .

[Abhiman]

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Yeah a life sentence is too high. It can be more like 2 years in prison or a fine. Recently actor Salman Khan was sentenced to jail for 5 years for shooting Black Bucks which is an endangered deer species. He has appealed.