Re: birth control… is it allowed or not..!!!
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Re: birth control... is it allowed or not..?!?!
Hi i am unmarried and i do not find myself very confident to participate in this topic. But as a reader and considerate person i have some things to clear and be cleared.
ALLAH say in quran, MARRY the healthy and well producing women, ALLAH also s ay the he who has palnned to come in the world has to come, ALLAH also say DONOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN FOR THE FEAR OF RIZZAQ., ALLAH also has promissed to provide the human being with the living.
if we believe that ALLAH has planned every thing and ALMIGHTY is responsible for every thing then
does it reflect our disbelief over the BLESSINGS and Qudrat of ALLAH the ALMIGHTY.
According to health and science a woman cannot get pregnancy till s he feed her babby, according to islam a woman is supposed to feed her children for almost three years with the permission of her husband, isnt it a natural way for birth control, When trying for birth control, i think we are disbelieving ALLAH and the quran and hadith. i think every one who has to born is planned by ALLAH but when we plan it we get the responsibility.t the way of azal?.
Yes there are exceptions for health purpose for women. And Azal is haram in islam so use of condom isn
the basic thing is that we have to have firm believe that ALLAH lamighty is the provider of every thing for human being. We have noticed that people coming from big families equaly participated in the human advancement and shown the highest levels of education and achievements so how we can say that having big family can effect the quality of life.
But this matter can be resolved with consensus( Ijma-e umat)especially when we see the verse of quran MARRY THE HEALTHY AND WELL GENERATING WOMEN,
ALLAH BLESS US WITH THE TRUE GUIDENCE
Re: birth control... is it allowed or not..?!?!
“And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in man-power” al-Israa’ 17:
Re: birth control… is it allowed or not..!!!
Assalamu Alaykum gujmon,
Quran tells us that Satan makes us ascribe those things to God that we do not know about. For instance,
“(Satan) commands you what is evil and shameful, and that you should say of God that of which you have no knowledge” (Al-Baqarah 2:169)
Having said this, it is my claim that Quran does not say that we should marry ‘well producing women’. If you can support your claim with a verse from Quran, I would really appreciate it. If you cannot, then I would ask you to ponder upon what you have stated in your response.
As you quoted, whatever is supposed to come is going to come. Then this means we should not stand against those who want to plan their families, for, whatever is going to come in this world is going to come anyway. The only difference would perhaps be in whose house does it come.
Killing children is different from actually not having children at all. A child possesses both soul and life, whereas someone who has not even conceived yet, neither has soul nor life in her womb.
I do not believe the limit is three years. In fact, it is two years as stated in Quran:
“Mothers shall suckle their children for two whole years; (that is) for those who wish to complete the suckling.” (Al-Baqarah 2:233)
Furthermore, the phrase “for those who wish to complete the suckling” very clearly implies that it is not required, rather it is upto the mother to determine how long she will suckle the child. Father’s opinion of course matters a lot and this should rather be an agreed approach for the best outcome.
I think azl was never forbidden by the Prophet (pbuh). There are many narratives in the books of hadith that point to this fact. I will quote only one, but there are many others in which the Prophet (pbuh) was informed of this practice and he did not forbid it:
“Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them. We then asked Allah’s Messen- ger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born.” (Muslim No. 3373)
Based on this, we cannot change the religion of Islam. The important thing is that we should be very clear what is prohibited in Islam and what is not. After that, based on sociological, environmental and other factors, a couple may or may not believe in your argument, and they may or may not think that it is best to have more children for their better Hereafter. There are many people who actually have a lot of children because they want to have a son who can support them in old age. In doing so, they destroy the life of their other children. However, this is not necessarily the right thing to do because such a decision is made keeping only the worldly life in perspective. Do you think it is important to have few children and raise them as good Muslims who can serve Islam in this world and make their Hereafter better, or is it more important to have lots of children that are not even educated in Islam because the parents cannot spend time in their children’s upbringing? Quran points to some of these facts in the following words:
“But when the great disaster will come - the day on which man shall recollect what he strove after, and the hell shall be made manifest for him who sees - then as for him who is inordinate and preferred the life of this world, surely hell will be his abode. But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and forbade his soul from low desires then surely the garden will be his abode.” (An-Nazi’at 79:34-41)
Most importantly, we must make a decision keeping the consequences of our decision in the Hereafter in mind. In addition, you shall also find that Quran does not unequivocally state children are better:
“And it is not your wealth or your children that will bring you near unto Us, but he who believes and does good (is drawn near). As for such, theirs will be twofold reward for what they did and they will be secure in the highest places.” (As-Saba 34:37)
In the end, I would say that if Quran does not forbid us from something, then we should not make it impressible on ourselves and especially on others. We do not understand the circumstances of each individual and cannot make decisions for them. It is each individual who has to make the decisions keep their worldly life and the hereafter in perspective.
Best wishes,
Omer Iqbal
Re: birth control... is it allowed or not..?!?!
Asslam oa likum.
Dear brother Omar, i do remember the words of that ayyah
( sehat mand aur zeada janane waali auraton se shhadi karo), on other place ALLAH say we bless u with sons
i am not satrting or involving in any conflict conflict i started with the note for discusion and clearification.
Dear my point is that a s ALLAH control and command every thing then when we start trying to have things controlled ourselves we accept the responsibility. Otherwise every thing has to happen according to almighty`s will.
When we talk about killing of children(is there any big difference between the killing or not letting them to grow as featus), i just quoted an e xample and mind the ideology behind the killing of children and the whole saying by ALLAH , what we r planning? we r feared to grow our children due to the lack of money, time and devotion. is there any reason? and at that times people have only one reason and that was how to nourish there children. this is same like as we r now having more sense are thinking beyond that one problem only.
And is there any guarantee that having very few children we can grow them according to the utmost standards of life and is there any guarantee that a bg family will never produce a good human being?. brother i think the problem is that w e r now only cosidering every t hing materially. we have decided that w e will manage every thing ourself but we r missing the power and planning of ALLAH.
Brother w e have clearly learnt from economics and economists that human resource is the most important r esource for the growth of every economy. And on the otherhand we r discouraging to produce more human resource??
this is very right that this decision goes to the couple weather to have more babbies or less but we must try to have a consensus or atleast clear ourselves as where there is any conflict in beliefs the final decision goes to one`s own belief.
Brother major thing is priority. so we have to rpioritise the things and forsure priority has to go for faith and religion.
ONE MORE THING I HAVE NOTICED EVERY WHERE IN UK, USA AND HERE IN CANADA THE JEWS ALWAYS HAVE MANY MANY CHILDREN
and this is true they r very well eductaed than us for every field of material life???????????????
Re: birth control... is it allowed or not..?!?!
Wa aleikum us salaam,
It is no conflict, just a frank discussion and so long as there is nothing in the hearts of those discussing an issue and it is based on reason, the discussion is healthy and a good learning experience. So I am not worried and do not think it is conflict, instead a learning experience. I hope you feel the same too.
You have quoted the verse, but unfortunately, you have not provided the exact surah number and verse number. I have not come across any such verse myself, so I want to find out myself too if it exists. The other possibility is that this verse does exist but the translation that you have read, and the one that I have read may be different, and that also happens because each translator translates Quran according to their interpretation. Nonetheless, when we get the verse number, only then the issue will be resolved.
As for the rest of the points, my problem is that we should separate out very clearly what Shari'ah demands and what we decide is right. The reason I say this is because even if we come to a consensus, the decision is not binding and anyone reading this should realize that this is not a Shari'ah directive, rather it was just an intellectual pursuit and consequently a human solution, which may or may not apply.
For the birth control issue, there are two parts to it. First is the one that you have vehemently raised in your previous posts, which is about the total number of children that a couple decides forehand. In such a case, I more or less agree with you and believe that such a couple may not have exhibited complete faith in God being a sustainer and a provider. At the same time, however, it is possible that a couple has had so many children and they feel that until circumstances change for them, they want to avoid more children. This is not necessarily based on sustenance, rather on how much time are the husband and wife able to spend with their children, how much of an active role they are playing in their upbringing and most importantly how much are they helping them with religion. Especially if their children's afterlife is getting affected because the couple is unable to make them better in religious affairs, then the husband and wife do have a valid reason to not have more children.
Secondly, there is the spacing between the children. Simply the mother can be tired after the first break, and she may need time to psychologically recover. She may not be breastfeeding either for some reason. She is a human and needs all the support of her husband to get her through such difficult times. Alternatively, it is possible that the couple knows they are living hand-to-mouth and having another child at that very moment may lead to malnourishment of the second child or may affect the health of the parents. All these are valid reasons to wait and once the couple is comfortable, they may go ahead and try to have another baby.
Most importantly, once an issue has not been explicitly discussed in Quran and Sunnah, we cannot create a general rule for it. We can provide recommendations. As far as recommendations are concerned, I think it may at best be appropriate to say that unless a couple has a reason to avoid more children, they should try not to, and perhaps nothing more. Doing more than that will be unfair to the religion of God, we're taking in our hands a domain which God did not explicitly speak of.
Lastly, the most important fact is that if we have more children keeping the material aspects of this world in our mind, then we have done the same thing. If we believe in Islam, then our decision should be based on keeping the consequences of our decisions in the Hereafter in mind. So, one may want to have more children if they can afford and provide them with good education and religious values so they become successful in the Hereafter. On the other hand, the same because in order to achieve material desires compromising education, religious upbringing of the children and they going through unnecessary difficulties because of such decisions, then it may not only be not commendable, rather condemnable.
I hope this helps you understand my point better. If we are saying that more children is better because they do well materially, then that is also something to worry about.
My best wishes and a very good Ramadan to you,
Omer Iqbal
Re: birth control... is it allowed or not..?!?!
ALLAH say in quran, MARRY the healthy and well producing women
Maybe you had some translation of the Quran in Urdu that was not translated exactly, and was translated with some bias. I myself have seen things translated into Urdu which were clearly wrong, and it was HIGHLY SHOCKING for me to see such things. But it exists. You will need to look up a surah and ayah number for us to believe you, otherwise please stop spreading lies.
Re: birth control… is it allowed or not..!!!
Asslam aolikum.
brother i am agreed with u and when i talk a bout conflict i mean the conflict of issue and views not the personal. i am agreed with u for many points but all this is to clear ourselves and u have mentioned very well. One thing brother is very sure that Quran i being read in arabic a nd thats the major authenticity of quaran that no body can alter it, yes the tafseer can be reflected by persons personal views but the translation remain same. any way u r right but the discussion is only for the matters which are not clearly mentioned in quran. So ALLAH bless us with the right path and keep us away from the sattans shar. Keep in duas.
Re: birth control... is it allowed or not..?!?!
^ Well brother one thing is for sure and i am agreed with u and when I talk about making sure what you're saying is correct then that should keep us with the right path and the satan away.
(was my fobby english accurate enough?)
Re: birth control… is it allowed or not..!!!
Wa aleikum us salaam brother,
May God reward you for your effort for religion, and may God guide us to the right path. I hope you also did not take anything personal, from my end too, the discussion was just for educational purposes.
Best wishes,
Omer Iqbal
Re: birth control… is it allowed or not..!!!
Asslam aolikum and thanks. Yes for sure nothing is a nd was personal, i just raised what i felt a nd have in my mind about this topic. And the purpose as u said is only to enhance our knowledge and be firm in such kind of matters.
May ALLAH bless all of us with the real understanding and beliefs.
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Re: birth control… is it allowed or not..!!!
Hi guriya. u didnt mentioned whom u r agreed??. But again i think this is the Miracle of Quran that no one can change its verses and meaning , yes every one can detail it using one`s emoptions and may be likings and dislikings. ALLAH bless us with the right path