bcsm57, you have broken the one law of talking with fanatics. You are using logic and reason. These people absoutely hate logic and reason. Bin Laden type of ignorant people should be eradicated from the face of this earth. That is the one and only solution for world peace.
Ironic that you have to kill for world peace, but it is the only way.
People hate who they are taught to hate, People like who they are taught to like!
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**bcsm57, you have broken the one law of talking with fanatics. You are using logic and reason. These people absoutely hate logic and reason. Bin Laden type of ignorant people should be eradicated from the face of this earth. That is the one and only solution for world peace.
Ironic that you have to kill for world peace, but it is the only way.**
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I know you are right, but I don't know how to operate any other way. To me logic and reason are the only thing that keep the world together.
Brenda McLennan
Interesting material. First of all, there were somewhere 2850 lives lost and not 6000. In no way m I saying that 2850 lives are less! 1 life is as precious as it could be, whether it be Muslim, Jew or Christian or Hindu! I will not take this crap from Muslims that Kafir is less worth than a Muslim!
But here is my point of view. Yes! lives were lost at WTC... bad bad bad! BUT! More lives were lost in Afghanistan too! Men, women and children. Guys, there wont b a single soul at WTC who'd be starving for 2 days or so. But I am sure half of those who died in Afghanistan were already starving.
OK, lets assume, attack on Afghanistan was the 'concequence' of the WTC attack. Fine! I agree. Then SO WAS THE WTC ATTACK! Dont take sides. Do you agree USA is supplying arms to the Israelis? And what do Israelis do? Well.. I dont know coz I dont watch Al-Jazeera!
Now, hasnt the US been warned by this group since 1992 about its deeds?
1. remove your army from Saudia?
2. Stop supporting Israeli
3. Stop aggression on Iraq
And I ask you, do you really think the US army is in Saudia for Saudi protection???? Saddam vowed not to attack Saudia and Kuwait. Then? why are they still there? Isnt this exactly what Osama said before he was expelled to Sudan? Why is it that the whole world sees what Osama did? Why doesnt the world see who is the REAL Culprit behind this?
Those of you taking sides for US, you all in the US na? Makes you feel safe na? Dont forget.... even if you are born here, you are not safe here. Just one line will saperate you from them
"There is no god but God and Muhammad is his prophet"
I live in USA too. I have been harressed by the law enforcements too. That in no way does it mean I should say that are right!
I strongly believe ALL those who died in this WTC, all will see heaven for they died in the process of Jihad. And the burden of their lives fall on the US shoulders!
Dont tell your God how big your problem is.. Tell your problem how big your God is!
Jazak Allah Khair
unholysaint I agre with you.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind!
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*Ajee this is MY opinion whether you like it or not I don't really care nor am I gonna change how I feel because of people like you. I don't no Arafat nor Sharon personally but I do know more about them then I know Bin Laden since they both are LEADERS and he is not. Once again how I feel about ANYONE is MY own OPINION and not anyone else's.
What do you want to hear from me that I hate Bin Laden? Why? Just because you don't like someone doesnt mean that everyone else feels the same way as you do. *
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Bluebell you rock
I am impressed good one.
I am not sure if i should respond to this thread or not, but reading your replies really forced me to convey my opinion.
I am not here to judge anyones personality, but my concern is...why is it that a majority of us (muslims) deem Bin Laden as the worst culprit of the century while the non-muslims dont hold the same opinion for Sharon? (or atleast they do not express this hatredness in open as we do)...For those who try to justify the brutal act of Sharon in killing innocent Palestine civilians by treating it as a result of "suicide bombers"....then my next question to these people is that why dont they see the role of america as the same as of "suicide bombers" (even though its worst than that) in Iraq and Afghanistan and why dont these people try to justify Bin Laden's act of killing 6000 people the same way as they try for Sharon?
maybe i have deviated a lot, but what i wanted to emphasis upon was the fact that how united non-muslims are in the sense that they try to support their couterpart by justifying their actions and projecting false pictures (which to some extent may be true) of muslims...while on the other hand, we (muslims) are so NOT united that we easily fall prey to such media information and start pulling legs of our muslim brothers. I think we should always play a positive/constructive role by supporting our fellow muslims, and if he is doing something wrong...instead of just declaring him non-muslim or abusing him like other non-muslims...we should try to keep up the same support but gradually should try to get him back on track...and this is exactly what non-muslims are doing today.
Sorry to take so much time of you guys, and i know many of you would find this message worthless, but i would like to add one more thing...I think this is in accordance with the basic philosophy of keeping a family together...that you keep the same support/association with your family and if someone is doing something wrong, instead of just kicking him out of family...you try to help him correct himself (or atleast you give it a try before taking any extreme action)...and thats what we muslims are...a family.
*agree with unholysaint & pumpkin’s viewpoints!
I agree
I mean if Bin Laden was a Jew how do you think things would turn out to be? Do you think he would be hated as much. I mean if Bin Laden is the most hated man on earth then my God where does Sharon fit in?
unholysaint,
Please let me know what you are trying to argue:
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1) There is actually Noor on Bin Laden's face?
2) As he warned US, his group had the right to blow up the WTC building?
3) US is the real culprit.
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Secondly, if you don't mind me asking, I would like you to elaborate a little on:
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I have been harassed by the law enforcements too.
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If you think its too personal than the answer to the first question would suffice!
pumpkin,
In response to your comparison about family. If a member of my family, was running around doing truly horrible things, such as killing innocent people I would not kick him or her out of the family, but I would do everything in my power to stop them.
Also in response to anyone that may think what this Bin Laden(If in fact, he did it) did to the WTC was correct, because of something the United States did, please keep in mind,that even if I could somehow understand this rather unusual logic(which I don't), that not everyone in those buildings was American. It is my understanding that some 62 countries had people in the WTC. Are you saying all 62 of those countries have done wrong, and deserve to be killed?
Are you saying that if you feel you have a just cause, that you can kill whoever you want?
As I said in my original reply. Get it straight Bin Laden, is just a Man. No more, and no less.
To those of you that live in the US, and support him, what are you thinking about? Don't you even value your own life, or the lives of your family? Do you think you will be safe, if he or someone like him, decides to do a repeat performance, or perhaps even worse?
Also please know that God(or whatever word you want to use,I don't think he is picky, as long as you do know him!!!) knows whats in the hearts, minds and souls of everyone. So Mr. Bin Laden may be able to fool many on this earth, but he will never fool God.
I could go on and on about this, but I am not, I don't think this person is worth it. I truly do not hate him, but at the same time, I am not going to give myself a stroke thinking about him!!!
Brenda McLennan
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** I know you are right, but I don't know how to operate any other way. To me logic and reason are the only thing that keep the world together.
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Brenda....I am sorry but I beg to differ. First of all there is no proof that Bin Laden planned the attack on WTC.
Is he innocent, maybe innocent of WTC attack but not the other countless attacks he has planned in other countries.
US media from day one started off with this allegation against Bin Laden. This was the first thing that CNN said too that probably Bin Laden is behind this. But where is the proof? Except the all the fabricated video tapes and documents! Don't believe everything you see on CNN. It is after all Jewish owned!
I am not saying that I support UBL, but asking everyone to take a close look at the facts behind this allegations.
Zameen Par Bhaij Diya, Khair Muslaihat Uss ke, Mujhko to chand banana tha aasmaan kay liye
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Hello Diablo666,
I agree with you. I have no idea who was behind the WTC attacks. If you look at my quote above, you will see I said if he did it. If being the key word.(boy I feel silly quoting myself!!!)
Also please never be sorry to disagree with me, as I am certainly not right all of the time, and when I am wrong, I don’t have a problem with someone giving me the correct information.
As to CNN, I also agree and I don’t believe very much of what they have to say, and for all the good it has done, I have written them e-mails, letting them know, I think their news is to put it mildly one-sided. Jews own CNN? I’m really not surprised, don’t they own just about everything in the United States?
So relax, I think we are on the same page!!!
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Brenda McLennan
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To be honest, I’m impressed
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Don’t be intimidated by some of the people here..
Brenda McLennan
Me too Bluebell, I might not always agree with you, but I will fight for your right to speak your mind.
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Brenda McLennan
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