Re: Bilour proposes confederation of Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan!!!
Applies to you as well, in your fake nationalism you are not prepared to accept that India failed in its mission to capture Lahore.
india's objective was to sucessfully repulse the pakistani infiltrators in kashmir and subsequently retaliate for that provocation. isn't that exactly what happened?
if you think pride/bragging rights are dependent on whether or not india captured lahore then you implicitly had shockingly low expectations of the pakistani army. shouldn't the chest-thumping be more dependent on whether or not india repulsed the infiltrators or succumbed to them? whether Operation Gibraltar achieved its objectives or failed miserably? whether Operation Grand Slam achieved its objectives or failed miserably? whether india lost territory and whether delhi was captured?
it seems the perception of victory/loss all depends on what you expect of your military rather than a conventional assessment of achievements vs. objectives.
Re: Bilour proposes confederation of Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan!!!
india's objective was to sucessfully repulse the pakistani infiltrators in kashmir and subsequently retaliate for that provocation. isn't that exactly what happened?
if you think pride/bragging rights are dependent on whether or not india captured lahore then you implicitly had shockingly low expectations of the pakistani army. shouldn't the chest-thumping be more dependent on whether or not india repulsed the infiltrators or succumbed to them? whether Operation Gibraltar achieved its objectives or failed miserably? whether Operation Grand Slam achieved its objectives or failed miserably? whether india lost territory and whether delhi was captured?
it seems the perception of victory/loss all depends on what you expect of your military rather than a conventional assessment of achievements vs. objectives.
after reading all the previous posts you have obviously missed the point. not surprising. It was not Pakistan but your "akash Wanee" and your govt which was making premature tall claims and telling the whole world that your generals were enjoying tea in Lahore gymkhana. So the chest thumping was coming from your cocky army and nation not Pakistan. Got it. When your army got repulsed and could not capture Lahore with all the might at your disposal, all these excuses started coming out. Please dont try and tell me that you never wanted to capture Lahore. Remember 1971 you caught Pakistan at its worst moment and took full advantage of it, so all this BS about not interested in capturing Lahore is just that.
Re: Bilour proposes confederation of Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan!!!
after reading all the previous posts you have obviously missed the point. not surprising. It was not Pakistan but your "akash Wanee" and your govt which was making premature tall claims and telling the whole world that your generals were enjoying tea in Lahore gymkhana. So the chest thumping was coming from your cocky army and nation not Pakistan. Got it. When your army got repulsed and could not capture Lahore with all the might at your disposal, all these excuses started coming out. Please dont try and tell me that you never wanted to capture Lahore. Remember 1971 you caught Pakistan at its worst moment and took full advantage of it, so all this BS about not interested in capturing Lahore is just that.
firstly i hope we can discuss this 50 year old war without blood pressure issues. :) secondly, you seem to be turning the entire 1965 war into whether or not lahore was occupied by india. on this basis you claim that victory was pakistan's.
i hope you understand why that is a ridiculous view to take. what about the metrics i mentioned in my post? they are far more relevant to determining victory or loss but you ignored them. pakistan failed to achieve virtually every objective but you are claiming victory by holding india to the standard of occupying lahore? on the other hand, india achieved each of its primary objectives after being provoked into the war.
in your book, preventing india from decisively crushing pakistan has become equal to pakistan winning the war. that is a very bizarre interpretation of what happened.