Big issue about little bindiya

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I think bindiya is more ancient than hindu religion and hindus. So while currently it is associated with hinduism but in reality the new-comer hindus (Iranian people) merely adopted it from the original locals of this area, the Harrappan people.

This is why I consider it more a cultural issue than a religious one.

But in the end now that it is considered a hindu thing, I would rather not see Pakistanis adopting it.

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:salam2:

Bindiya, Red Dot, Tika in Hindunism.

The ‘Red dot’ on the forehead is not always only red and nor is it always a dot. The dot is called ‘Kumkum’ or ‘Bindi’, and when worn by men it is called ‘Tilak’ (mark). Usually Hindu women, priests, monks and worshippers wear it. Men wear it on auspicious occasions such as Puja (ritual worship), or marriage, or Arati (waving of lights) on festive occasions such as on Bhaai-duj, Karvaa Chaud or Paadwaa or Dasshera) or while embarking on, or upon return from a voyage or a campaign. It is also worn by Jains and Buddhists (even in China). Like all Hindu symbols,‘red dot’ has multiple meanings which are all valid at the same time. Let us explore them :

  1. By one simple interpretation it is a cosmetic mark used to enhance beauty.
  2. In meditation, this very spot between the eyebrows (Bhrumadhya) is where one focusses his/her sight, so that it helps concentration. Most images of Buddha or Hindu divinites in meditative pose with their eyes nearly closed show the gaze focussed between eyebrows (other spot being the tip of the nose - naasikagra).
  3. All Self realized saints from India (such as Saint Jnaneshwar, Saint Tukaram) as well as West describe their experience of seeing ‘a bright flame (Jyoti)’ of the size of a little finger tip at this spot. They ‘see’ this jyoti both with their eyelids closed and even with the eyes open, hence the term ‘seer’. This is the mystical meaning behind Kumkum. ‘Siddha Siddhant Paddhati’ of Gorakshanath (circa 11 th century) describes a linga shaped jyoti at the spot.
  4. Swami Muktanand writes 'auspicious Kumkum or sandal wood paste is applied (between the eyebrows) out of respect for inner Guru. It is the Guru’s seat. There is a chakra (center of spiritual energy within human body) here called Ajna (Aadnyaa) chakra meaning ‘Command center’. Here you receive the Guru’s command to go higher in Sadhana (spiritual practice) to the ‘Sahasraar’ (seventh and final chakra) which leads to Self realization. The flame seen at the eyebrow is called ‘Guru Jyoti’. (From Finite to Infinite, by Swami Muktananda, SYDA Foundation, S.Fallsburg, NY, 1989, pp. 88-89)
  5. The encyclopedic dictionary of Yoga informs that this ‘Ajna Chakra’ is also called as the ‘Third eye’. This center is connected with the sacred syllable ‘Om’ and presiding it is ‘ParaaShiva’. After activation of this center, the aspirant overcomes ‘Ahamkar’ (ego or sense of individuality), the last hurdle on the path of spirituality. (Encyclopedic dictionary of Yoga, by Georg Fuerstein, Paragon House Publ, NY, 1990,p.15). Thus the monks apply the auspicious mark of Kumkum on the forehead as an act of worship to the inner Guru to overcome ego. It is also the same reason why married women wear the ‘red dot’. After marriage Hindu women give up their name. They take the pains of pregnancy and delivery, yet the child carries father’s name. This selfless sacrifice is done out of love, and for the sake of family and society. It is for this reason wearing the red dot is considered a sign of ’ Soubhagya (good fortune)', because sacrificing you ego and performing selfless action out of love is considered a sacred act and a good fortune.
  6. Magsasay Award winning Pandurang Shastry Athawale who is kindling ‘back to Vedic basics’ spirit, writes 'Tilak is not a mere cosmetic adornment, or sign of being religious, it is a symbol of worship of intellect. Worship of intellect is trusting your own intellect AND other’s intellect, especially in the fields you do not have enough knowledge. Intellectual honesty and its worship have been corner stones of Hindu thought. At the end of Gita (18:63) Bhagwan Krishna asks Arjun ‘Vimrushyaita dashesheNa yathechhasi tathaa Kuru’ ‘Fully THINK (ponder) on what I said and then do as YOU deem fit’. Indian scriptures ask ‘Drushtipootam nyasetpaadam, vastra pootam pibet jalam’ - Look (think) before you leap (embark on any activity) and ‘filter the water with a cloth before you drink’.

Question: What does the mark on forehead signify in muslim religion?

**Answer: **It is not a Muslim symbol, it is a Hindu symbol and it symbolizes holy matromony. However other dots can be worn on the forehead, just for beauty. . …the conscious effort to be open to new ideas. It’s called a third eye!

Bindi, Bindiya, Tilk, Tika, & Mangulsutra in Islam:

**BINDI AND MANGALSUTRA **Why do the Muslim married women not put bindi or tika on the forehead and wear Mangalsutra, like Hindu married women?

Bindi or tika Bindi is derived from the sanskrit word bindu, which means a ‘dot’. It is usually a red dot made with vermilion powder and is worn by the Hindu women between their eyebrows on their forehead.
Bindi is considered a symbol of ‘Parvati’ and signifies female energy which is believed by Hindus to protect women and their husbands. It is traditionally a symbol of marriage and is worn by the Hindu married women. It is also called as tika.

**Bindi has become a fashion **Nowadays, wearing bindi has become a fashion and is even worn by unmarried girls and women. The shape of the bindi is no longer restricted to a dot and is available in various shapes, including oval, star, heart shaped, etc. It is even available in different bright colours like blue, green, yellow, orange, etc. The material of the bindi is no longer restricted to vermilion powder, but is made of coloured felt and other material. It is also available in a variety of designs in combination with coloured glass, glitter, etc.

**Mangalsutra **Mangalsutra means a thread of good-will. It is a necklace worn specially by Hindu married women as a symbol of their marriage. It consists of two strings of black beads with a pendant usually of gold. The black beads are believed to act as a protection against evil. It is believed to protect the women’s marriage and the life of her husband. In southern India, mangalsutra is called tali, which is a small gold ornament string on a cotton cord or a gold chain.

Hindu Married women are never supposed to remove their mangalsutra. It is only cut off when a Hindu lady becomes a widow.

Allah Is the Protector
Allah (swt), our Creator, is the best to protect human beings. We do not require any red dot or black thread to protect us from evil. It is mentioned in the Glorius Qur’an in Surah Anam Chapter 6 verse 14
“Say: Shall I take for my protector any other than Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth?”
[Al-Qur’an 6:14]
It is mentioned in several places in the Glorius Qur’an including
Surah Ali Imran Chapter 3 Verse 150 and Surah Alhajj Chapter 22 Verse 78
“Allah is your Protector, and He is the best of helpers.”
Wearing a bindi or mangalsutra signifies a lack of faith in Almighty God, our Creator, who is the best to protect.

**Against the Islamic Dress Code **Wearing a bindi or mangalsutra is a sign of Hindu women. The Islamic dress code does not permit a Muslim to wear any sign, symbol or mark which is specially significant of a non-Muslim.

**In Islam, Both Married and Unmarried women should not be Teased **Once, a Hindu friend of mine, while mentioning the benefits of mangalsutra said that it easily identifies a married women, and thus prevents them from being teased and molested. According to Islam, each and every woman, whether married or unmarried, Muslim or Non-Muslim, should neither be teased nor molested.

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The basic test in Islam is what is your intention.
I find the famous hadess "innamal aamaalow bin niyaat" . (All deeds are judged based on your intention. ) My guiding principle.
Use this principle for a change and you will never go wrong.

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I don't know if it's halal or not but sure I find bindiyas rather freaky, so for me it's a question of fashion sense.

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its sign to TELL the young hoodlums on the street that she is a married woman so no one will bother her. its nothing more than that. thats why unmarried girls [even Hindus] don't sport a bindiya. now, its a symbol of a married woman like mangal sutra.

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It’s a very stupid thing for a man to do… besides it’s an obvious and rather feminine weakness. Especailly judging the amount of times desi wanna be gangsters have thier ears ripped out. :omg:

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Also, my SIL said "mujhe bhi shauk tha bohot bindiya lagane ka lekin abhi chala gaya hai... tumhara bhi ahiste ahiste chala jaye ga." I wanted to say " aur nahi gaya to?" but obviously I just bit my tongue and remianed polite

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This is wrong because Hindu Believe this protects against demons or bad luck whereas we muslims belive in Only Allah who is our protector.

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may b u r right
;)

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She seems to be a GRADE B FANATIC, Old, Probably near EXPIRY DATE, but you can check if the Taliban will still import her.

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hahahha... she isnt a bad person but she is a hard-core religious person... me being so "advance/chalak/modern/fashionable/and any other word desi moms use nowadays to describe an educated, openminded girl" am doing everything wrong because I question things and not follow everything they say like a sheep.

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True that Mangal Sutar is for married Hindu women.
But unmarried Hindu girls do sport Bindya.

Ear piercing is not related to hinduism.

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don't say fashionable, it's fayyyshon abal

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lol.. o yaaaa thts wht i meant.. hahahha
fayyyyshun abal

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It is obvious. It is wrong becaused Hanoods do it.

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maybe ur MIL is referring to this:

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3512; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 2691

Imitating the kuffar falls under the purview of actions pertaining to hallmarks of their religion/practices - eg bindis on female foreheads or crosses on chains. Things which identify one with another religion.

why do you want to wear a bindi anyways?

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i think bindiyas are soo pretty with desi outfits...
its not like i m wearing a bindia to resemble or imitate anyone... its just 4 fun.. cuz i think its pretty and feminine. Plus, bindias werent even originated by hindus.. soo i dont c y its such a big deal...

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when u think i shud do it or not
it meanz u shud not do it
thats wt if u can understand

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well.. i m not questioning whether i should or should not do it. My MIL is...
and i m quite annoyed by her rok tok

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justify.
justify.
justify.

MAY ALLAH guide us all.