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someone i know used to drink alcohol. he used to get waisted every single weekend and was in trouble most of days of the year for stuff he used to do under intoxication.

met him sometime ago and he told me he had quit drinking. i asked him why he had quit drinking and he told me because it is prohibited in Quran. I was delighted for a while but it was short lived as he told me that he had started smoking pot and other stuff as an alternative to get high. His claim was that “drinking alcohol is prohibited in Quran but no where in Quran does it mention pot” so its okay for him to smoke it.

Isnt it a bidat that some just cant quit their evil besharam and inappropriate deeds… and try to get them approved in islam by hook or crook?

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Its not a bid'dat, its definitely very inappropriate & un-islamic. the word bid-dat means "inventing something new into the teachings of islam and then practising it as an authentic islamic ibbadah".

Our body is a property of allah & it has been lended to us by him, therefore we have to take care of it in the best manner. Also, anything that intoxicates you & makes you lose your sanity/control of your mind & actions is haraam. So all of ur friends actions are haraam according to the authentic teachings of Islam.

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Hmmmm I dont know if its bidat or not..but i know its WRONG to smoke pot...cuz it makes you high...alcohol makes you high...nashey walii cheez is haram in islam!!!

Anything that makes a human being go out of control and do bad things is wrong.

Jaawan

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[This message has been edited by Jaawan (edited May 10, 2000).]

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inventing something new into the teachings of islam and then practising it as an authentic islamic ibbadah".<<<<<

appreciate your input. yes but if this guy preaches to others that smoking pot is allowed in islam cos its not mentioned anywhere in Quran. Is that bidat?

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No, thats Haraam for him to preach incorrectly. Bid'dat means, for example, instead of praying 3 rakahs in mghrib prayers, someone starts praying 4 rakahs, or 5 rakahs, or even 1 or 2 rakahs. So, bid'dat means inventing something into the practise of Ibbadah.

Dont hold me down for it, but I think I understand where you are coming from. I still think that it cannot be called bid'dat. Its like this.... These people are stupid beyond limit thats why they have such lame excuse for their actions...

For lets take for example, tomorrow I go out & preach to everyone that fornication/adultrey is halah (astahfirullah, may allah forgive for such an example). This is haraam to even give people false information on Islam. So if everyone started practising it, it does not mean its a bid'dat. It means they are doing something haraam. Do you understand what I am trying to say here ? I hope so, if now then I will try to clear myself in the next post here.. Thanks.
wa'salaam.

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bid'dat means inventing something into the practise of Ibbadah. <<<<<

it makes more sense now. thanks.

Quran definitely disallows consuming alcohol as it makes a person lose his senses.

From that we conclude that anything else that can make u dilusional/high and lose touch with reality is also haraam. So those who smoke pot and convince others that becausse its not mentioned in Quran is a haraam act.

Similarly Quran clearly orders women to observe pardah. so those who do not observe it and try to convince others of not doing the same are committing a haraam act. agreed?

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Absolutely, you got it.
Also, just to give you an example of a bid'dat that is practised openly in most muslim countries and cannot be found to have practised by the rasool (ssaw) & by the sahabah (ra) is the quran khani when a person passes away. This is a total bid'dat according to all the ullemas and all the scholars today. Another one is the practising of Milad-un-Nabi...

wa'salaam.

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Homi,

Now, it makes sense! You are a Wahabi and thus your assinine position re: women and, now, your shoving the Wahabi position re: milad, quran kwani, etc.

There is a topic called: the Wahabis, I suggest you read it so you know where Wahabis stand in Islam!

http://www.pak.org/gupshup/nook.gif

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Wahabi or not... he has got the knowledge of Quran and Sunnah. And deserves respect. You on the other hand are trying hard so sunnies can hate wahabies.

I agree brother HomiD. I was brought up in a sunni family and unfortunately followed all these stupid customs of khatams and miladenabi and this and that.

Things that had little or nothing to do with Islam. Slowly and surely things are changing though and I will have to say Tableegh is making a difference.

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mundyaa

I am just following the Fatwa issued by Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah on the Wahabis!
I suspect you are one as well!

The followers of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah should avoid listening to the wahabis like HomiD!

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ahle-sunnah alliance can go preach and dance on the graves of their dead pir murshids. sunni or no sunni pir murshad stuff, doing sajda to the pirs and "mangatein mangna" and other stuff is shirk.

the stuff that HomiD points out also makes sense.... singing and dancing that goes on milads isnt Islamic either, but a product of hinduism.

logical, seems like whover doesnt agree with you is a wahabi. well then count me as one.

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Call me a wahabi, or call me a shia's, or call me what you want to call me. The bottom line is that I am a Muslim, follow the teaching of the Quran and the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (saaw). Now it aint my problem if you Islam knowledge comes from customs & traditions & not from true Islam and therefore you call me a Wahabi which I aint.

In Pakistan/India if you are not wearing a topi then your prayers are deemed invalid by the imam or by the uncles or other elderly menebers of the society who learned Islam from their elders & not from the books of Islam. If you wear a t-Shirt and goto Masjid in pakistan, you are pointed to very rudely & told to go the back and sit or go home because your prayer would be invalid since its not permissble to pray in t-shirt and all that crap that these so-called mullahs dont have a clue about.

So my friend, if you think that I am a wahabi, let me challenge you to a debate on a Islamic topic, cuz I want to see if you are a typical desi muslims who goes by tradition. By the way, have you ever visited a mazaar ??? If you have, like data gang baksh or something similar that you have committed a shirk, and you have committed the biggest sin in Islam.

You cannot ask anyone for help accept allah (swt) and you cannot pray at anyone's grave, not even the rasool (saaw). You guys are just simply ognorant & unfortunately that seems to be the state of our muslim ummah thats why we are so devided and totally wrecked, cuz we are too busy pointing out other people's mistakes or other people's believes.

Muslims are Muslims. As long as they believe in allah (swt) & the Prophet Mohammed (saaw) and follow his teachings and also the teachings of the quran.

So before you jump to conclusion, pick up true Islamic books & read. you will realize that the Islam you are practising is totally wrong.

thanks.
wa'salaa,
ur brother in Islam.

Mundyaa, your the man bro. Thanks for your support bro.

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Homi

In the thread: Wahabis - a question was asked, to a couple of wahabis, to prove where does it say that to celeberate Milad-un Nabi is bida't? These two,like you, were tooting that to celebrate the prophet's(SAW) birthday, among other things, is bida't - haven't heard from them - yet!

Since, you had the audacity to mention that again - I suggest you go to the thread and justify your arrogance.

Whether you are a wahabi/salafi or not, it is apparent that you & mundyaa ARE influenced by them!

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Logical..i have seen stupid people but never seen stupidity in action(in your case)
Buddy listen...EId milads(celebrating prophets bday), Khaatams, peeer following, making graves paved, making graves livable(meaing making a building on graves)ETC. those kinds of things were NEVER done by MohamamdPBH and were NEVER done by his companions. According to quran and hadith those things are bidat in islam, islam declares them SINS, you have a backward mind which sees the sect first and the reality last, you see who is the person rather what he or she is telling you...
you should care about the facts not who is the person telling you those facts...people like you have done soo much harm and humility to islam in pakistan, people do all sorts of stupid things which DO NOT exist in islam...
Munndaa stated "ahle-sunnah alliance can go preach and dance on the graves of their dead pir murshids. sunni or no sunni pir murshad stuff, doing sajda to the pirs and "mangatein mangna" and other stuff is shirk." Well said...!!!
Study Quran and HADITH..not some 15th century books wrtten by some DONT KNOW ASS!!!

Jaawan

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[This message has been edited by Jaawan (edited May 12, 2000).]

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What is wahabii? for logical!!!make sure you know how to read this...and comprehend it somehow!!!

No group actually calls itself Wahabis. However, people may call some of those who express certain views as Wahabis, which is a name supposed to refer to the followers of Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab who was a great
reformer and scholar. He lived in Najd over 200 years ago and worked hard to eradicate all innovations from Islamic worship. Such innovations had crept into the practices of Muslim communities due to ignorance and long periods of decline undergone by Muslim communities. He maintained that the example of the Prophet i.e. the Sunnah should be
followed diligently. There is no disagreement among scholars that this is required of every Muslim. It is unfortunate that some of the practices which Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab spoke very strongly against still persist in some Muslim communities. These include such terrible practices as visiting the graves of supposedly saintly people and asking the
dead to intervene with Allah on behalf of the visitor for any purpose. Such a practice Islam shuns, since it is a manifestation of associating partners with Allah. Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab belonged to the Sunni Muslims who, by virtue of their name, should follow the Sunnah, or the example, set by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with
diligence. Hence, it is wrong to classify Muslims as Wahabis and Sunnis, since the followers of Imam Abdulwahhab belong
to the Sunni group of Muslims. The vigorous arguments and fighting you have spoken of are certainly deplorable. This happens, nevertheless, because people are sometimes too rigid in their views. Those who insist on following the Sunnah of the Prophet diligently should have the patience to teach their fellow Muslims, with respect and compassion, that some of their practices are unacceptable from the Muslim point of view. Had they done so, they would find better response by other Muslims.
MAY god OPEN your mind and heart.

Jaawan

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Logical..why dont you prove to me weather the things you do, going to graves of people and asking them for help, celebrating prophets bday, etc why dont YOU tell me why do you guys do it? where does it say you CAN do it...if something is not in quran you should NOT do it on the believe that it MAY or it CAN be accepted by allah..that is stupidity my friend we should ONLY do what is IN quran and hadith..
Islam is like a big glass of water(which is FULL...no more water(things) can be added to it)...you should ONLY drink from that glass of water and not from some other source.
did you get my point or sill in land of stupidity? Wondering...?

Jaawan

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Logical, I have the answer to your question...
Read the new post on Milaad.

Thanks,
and I rest my case.

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Bid'ah which are forbidden are bad innovations. Even Hazrat 'Umar when he instituted the taraweeh prayers in the masjid was engaging in bid'ah, which he described as 'good bid'ah.' there is a difference.

Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. 10-13 years ago I used to spout anger, judgement, fatwas just the way I hear them on this bulleting board now. I grew out of it. Also, I studied Qur'an, Hadith, fiqh and Ijma' more, and I travelled. Islam is universal because it is not a rigid plank of wood. It is a living, organic, adaptable thing. There are many things that Pakistanis-whether wahhabi or not--do which Saudis, Malaysians, etc would never do, and would consider unislamic. Interpretations vary, - they varied even among the sahaba.

An Islamic leader of the last century once visited a masjid during Ramadan. The people starting squabbling over whether to pray 8 rak'ah or 20. He said, "taraweeh is sunnah. but unity among the muslims is fard. pray at home if you quarrel about this issue."

I disagree with the wahhabi method of discarding all the scholarship of the centuries of islam. i disagree with the way many wahhabis are arrogant - "no scholar's gonna tell me what to do! i've got Qur'an and Hadith!!" --as if Qur'an and Hadith were like a primer. The Qur'an is of amazing depth. years and years of study and you can still only hope that you comprehend a fraction of what Allah tells you in it.

But though I disagree with wahhabis, God help me, they are my brothers and sisters, as are sufis, shias, and every other human being who says la ilaha illallah. God protect me from ever pronouncing judgement on anyone who says those words. - My judgment would come right back to me.

If we disagree on something, - let's agree to disagree. Fighting about it never changed anyone's mind. Mention your ideas; maybe years later, the other guy will agree with you. That happened to me.

And recommended reading:"The ethics of disagreement in islam" by Taha Jabir al-Alwani. It's online too.
salam.