Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

[yazdi]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Reza_Pahlavi

That's not a too clever play of words and titles, but it's still quite hypocritical. You can't just be American or Pakistani when it suits your political biases. :)

Mr. Reza I fully support Shamraz.....It's not anymore about political biases.....it's standing against besharmi and bayhayee of highest order.....Pakistani national or a patriotic Pakistani American is hurt on whatever is happening in our unfortunate country....a mad man is hurting the very foundation of this country.....the chowkidars of the country have enslaved the nation to implement foreign national intrest in our country...and have scooped to the lowest ethical standards....I hope tomorrow when Musharaf will be in jail to be hanged and his wife and mother will be agitating in the street....I would like to ask him his feeling if they are manhandled by male police>>>>

Just put yourself in this situation and think about your own sisters and mother before justifying the besharmee of this highest order...

As for Aalsi...

Mashallah God bless Musharaf for resorting to bayhayee of highest order.....

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Reza_Pahlavi

That's not a too clever play of words and titles, but it's still quite hypocritical. You can't just be American or Pakistani when it suits your political biases. :)

Reza, call it whatever you like. There comes times in life when you must stand up and be counted. I'm doing my part. Are you? Pakistan is about to fall apart and those who cannot see this will never see it. Ironic things is that people who are suppose to be defending the country from external threats are accelerating its demise.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Shamraz_Khan

Reza, call it whatever you like. There comes times in life when you must stand up be counted. I'm doing my part. Are you? Pakistan is about to fall apart and those who cannot see this will never see it. Ironic things is that people who are suppose to be defending the country from external threats are accelerating its demise.

Shamraz, what I do know about some Pakistani people (as distinct from other groups) is that their hatred of particular leaders or say the Army sometimes blinds their patriotism to the country. I never liked BB or Nawaz very much , and I thought the latter was actually bringing the country close to collapse, but never once did I "do my part" by trying to lobby foreign states to take action against them or cut off aid to Pakistan. Our internal matters are just that internal - to Pakistan and Pakistani's, and involving foreigners in my eyes has always been quite belittling. Most of all it tells foreigners that Pakistani's are incapable of solving their own problems by themselves.

[yazdi]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Reza_Pahlavi

Shamraz, what I do know about some Pakistani people (as distinct from other groups) is that their hatred of particular leaders or say the Army sometimes blinds their patriotism to the country. I never liked BB or Nawaz very much , and I thought the latter was actually bringing the country close to collapse, but never once did I "do my part" by trying to lobby foreign states to take action against them or cut off aid to Pakistan. Our internal matters are just that internal - to Pakistan and Pakistani's, and involving foreigners in my eyes has always been quite belittling. Most of all it tells foreigners that Pakistani's are incapable of solving their own problems by themselves.

Thanks God a vast majority of Pakistanis are not like you.....and we will solve our problems ourselves....and to start with by getting rid of this mad man....really if majority of people were like you.....with no respect for any national institution.....because of your personal hatred to two politicians....this country would have no hope>>>>

Let me tell you BB and NS are angels compared to your masters Zia and Mush>>>>

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Reza_Pahlavi

Shamraz, what I do know about some Pakistani people (as distinct from other groups) is that their hatred of particular leaders or say the Army sometimes blinds their patriotism to the country. I never liked BB or Nawaz very much , and I thought the latter was actually bringing the country close to collapse, but never once did I "do my part" by trying to lobby foreign states to take action against them or cut off aid to Pakistan. Our internal matters are just that internal - to Pakistan and Pakistani's, and involving foreigners in my eyes has always been quite belittling. Most of all it tells foreigners that Pakistani's are incapable of solving their own problems by themselves.

Reza, these are pressure tactics to put an end to brutal dictatorship and the martial law. We're not lobbing foreign governments to harm Pakistan's interests, but to make intoxicated thug in power see that there is price for his actions.

As for our internal matters, we're de facto American state. Our army has become army of mercenaries killing, oppressing, rapping our country and our national institutions. And, I don't support BB, NS or anyone individual for that matter, but we all should be supporting our institutions. W/o strong institutions we will not survive as a nation.

[daleel]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

Supporters of Mush tend to forget conveniently that he put the very survival of Pakistan at risk by declaring emergency and they talk about others. Selfish and egotistic to the core.

[Aalsi]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Shamraz_Khan

Reza, t*hese are pressure tactics to put an end to brutal dictatorship* and the martial law. We're not lobbing foreign governments to harm Pakistan's interests, but to make intoxicated thug in power see that there is price for his actions.

As for our internal matters, we're de facto American state. Our army has become army of mercenaries killing, oppressing, rapping our country and our national institutions. And, I don't support BB, NS or anyone individual for that matter, but we all should be supporting our institutions. W/o strong institutions we will not survive as a nation.

Let's not get carried away and over dramatize or belittle the meaning of the word 'Brutal' by using GEO tactics.

Yes, we need strong institutions that are accountable. Not like the Judiciary under the leadership of EX CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry that had become the judge, jury and the executioner without any accountability for its actions.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan’s Aid.

@Aalsi

Let’s not get carried away and over dramatize or belittle the meaning of the word ‘Brutal’ by using GEO tactics.

Yes, we need strong institutions that are accountable. Not like the Judiciary under the leadership of EX CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry that had become the judge, jury and the executioner without any accountability for its actions.

Absolutely correct Aalsi :k:

[daleel]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Aalsi

Let's not get carried away and over dramatize or belittle the meaning of the word 'Brutal' by using GEO tactics.

Yes, we need strong institutions that are accountable. Not like the Judiciary under the leadership of EX CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry that had become the judge, jury and the executioner without any accountability for its actions.

Brutal is a minor word compared to what Mush is doing to Pakistan in order to save his Kursi.

[daleel]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Aalsi

Let's not get carried away and over dramatize or belittle the meaning of the word 'Brutal' by using GEO tactics.

Yes, we need strong institutions that are accountable. Not like the Judiciary under the leadership of EX CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry that had become the judge, jury and the executioner without any accountability for its actions.

Do a search on your posts and you will see how you were praising the CJ till he turned against the two bit drill master.

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Aalsi

Let's not get carried away and over dramatize or belittle the meaning of the word 'Brutal' by using GEO tactics.

Go watch what police was doing to Imran Khan's sister, or mercilessly beating lawyers and human rights activists. But worry not b/c your beloved dictator's day of reckoning is coming soon. Remember what goes around comes around. :)

[daleel]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan's Aid.

@Shamraz_Khan

Go watch what police was doing to Imran Khan's sister, or mercilessly beating lawyers and human rights activists. But worry not b/c your beloved dictator's day of reckoning is coming soon. Remember what goes around comes around. :)

That is Musharraf at his brutal best, anything to save Kursi.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan’s Aid.

@Mostar95

Alas I cant do so! As my job is to collect taxes from people’s salary and deposit it into the Govt treasury!

Deposit taxes into Government treasury? Well, that is the difference from old days and today :biggthumb In the past your duty would have been to collect taxes from people’s salary and deposit major portion of that into the accounts of Big Wigs (after cutting a portion of that if you wanted to for yourself), who would have passed a big portion of that to their superiors, and so on, until in the end a portion of that would have reached NS or BB who would have used that to buy dollars from open market and transfer those dollars to their foreign accounts. For khana-purri, country would have seen nominal increases in taxes. That is why Federal tax collected in Pakistan was so low and increasing nominally before Musharraf came to power:

Than Musharraf came to power and even though many sanctions started due to martial law plus affect of nuclear test sanctions was also felt (test related sanctions started late 1998, early 1999), this is how federal tax collection is recorded (that happened even though inflation was lower compared to Bhutto, Zia, NS or BB period and stagnant exchange rate with respect to dollars …
During Bhutto period Rupees devalued by around 100 percent.
During Zia period Rupees devalued by around 90 percent.
NS and BB period saw Rupees devalued by 300 percent.
During Musharraf period of 8 years, Rupees devalued by 13 percent.

Musharraf rule: Prices due to inflation increased by around 60 percent in last 8 years, and wages increased by over 350 percent during last 8 years. Tax collection increase is phenomenal furing Musharraf rule.

Here is how Pakistan federal tax collection is recorded (the increase is obvious, even though during last 8 years, government reduced tax rate substantially):

Source: http://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/tax.pdf

Before Musharraf took over:
1996-1997: Rs 282 billion
1997-1998: Rs 293 billion (increase of 4 percent)
1998-1999: Rs 308 billion (increase of 5 percent)

After Musharraf took over:
1999-2000: Rs 347 billion (increase of 13 percent)
2000-2001: Rs 392 billion (increase of 13 percent)
2001-2002: Rs 404 billion (increase of 3 percent)
(Affect of 11-9-2001 is obvious)
2002-2003: Rs 460 billion (increase of 14 percent)
2003-2004: Rs 520 billion (increase of 13 percent)
2004-2005: Rs 590 billion (increase of 14 percent)
2005-2006: Rs 713 billion (increase of 21 percent)
2006-2007: Rs 846 billion (increase of 19 percent)

During first 3 months of 2006-2007: tax collected was Rs 183 billion, whereas during first 3 months of 2007-3008: tax collected is Rs 205 billion, and increase of over 12 percent, a healthy increase for earlier months, as most tax are collected during later months of financial year.

Note: When Musharraf came to power in 1999, Pakistan Federal tax collection was 5.7 billion dollars and GDP was 62 billion dollars (@ Rs 54 to a dollar, 1999 exchange rate).

For year 2006-2007, Pakistan Federal tax collection was 14 billion dollars and GDP was 147 billion dollars (@ Rs 60.5 to a dollar, 2007 exchange rate).

Obviously, what Bhutto is doing, she is doing so that she again get chance to loot and plunder a more richer country, that Pakistan is today. She is desperate and thus calling her Master (‘Aqqa’) in USA to facilitate her loot and plunder Pakistan. Thanks Allah, days of Bhutto and NS is over in Pakistan and InshaAllah would never return.

[Captain1]

Re: Bhutto wants USA to Threaten Pakistan’s Aid.

@Iconoclast

Everyone is trying to get US use its leverage to its advantage. BB by her antics and Musharraf by his. This is what Musharraf had to say:

Nuclear weapons are safe as long as i am in power.
BBCUrdu.com

This is just another statement trying to assure USA that he will keep “control” of nukes, remember this is exactly what US want i.e. some stooge in govt who can keep the nukes “safe” from terrorists.