Bhutto succession will split the party, says tribe leader

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Since when did you become so worried about democracy? Is Musharraf holding another referundum again? :hehe:

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I don't see a good furture of this country. People are divided into way too many parties that black mail each other to support other's government. Some 60% support national main stream parties, 20% support Mullah parties and remaining 20% support regional/ethnic parties and others.

People elect corrupt politicians since they worship personalities and don't know jack about issues and ideologies. These politicians are created and launched by establishment (and military since `58) and are supported until they fulfill establishment's requirements. As soon as the politicians becomes too popular and danger for them, they pull the chain and halts him/her. Unfortuantely, Muslim League (hijacked in late 50s), Awami League, PPP, PML (J), PML (N) and MQM all are very clear examples of this game.

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Exactly! 40 years of preaching democracy to Pakistani's, and then the PPP turns round and appoints it's leaders through a will. Now the only true democrat in Pakistan is President Musharraf, under whose leadership elections after elections have been held, where all parties have taken part, and most will continue to do so.

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hahahahhahahahahhah wow
So thats why he:
-toppled the judiciary
-used his position as head of the army to force Martial Law
-silenced the media
-is USING the ISI to fix elections
-has only one real freind the Ethnic Mafia MQM
-has virtually ZERO support in the country according to any opinion poll
-violated the constitution in so many ways its impossible to count.
There is only 1 ending Mushy deserves. To be hung for treason.

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This isnt the jokes forum

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PPP is going nowhere...niether Nawaz...

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that tribal leader wanted himself to lead the party as he was the male heir to the PPP throne and elder than BB. it doesnt look nice these words comming from the same person. if he made leader, he will not talk about this way of succession.

leaving PPP leaders to decide, their brains are not at right place, they are not confident as democratic leaders, they want bhutto brand on top of them always.. as they fear if that left, there will be no PPP.

but its really a shame, a largest party to elect leaders on wills, a joke and jokers who vote for them. why waste so much money, make zardari as King i am sure he will change his name as bhutto too for this.

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They talk about democracy...but settle to kingmakers...wow...leader of party start thinking that the party his personal belongings...lol

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I don't mince words, Spock. And I certainly see through lies. She may not have been the candidate on paper, but the true PM would have been her, had her party won the seat. So, I don't care who they have sitting in the seat. Their candidate, so far, hasn't opened his mouth much. Zardari has been doing all the buk buk. Therefore, any claim that anyone other than Zardari is going to be the real PM if PPP wins elections is a complete and utter lie.

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Maybe you should try and read more about what was going on. There is no way BB could be in power, the PML lota group Qatil league was all set to sweep the elections with chaudhry shujaat from downtown gujrat already claiming he was going to get 150 seats.

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PCG- she did want a 3rd term, and was not getting anywhere from it, I was reading somewhere that the plan was to repeal the ruling on 4rd term bans once the part is in power, Nawaz and BB both discussed that, i have to find that story, until then u can read a few links on her insistance on a third term.

and I see your point about her being chairman, and now asif and bilawal (read: asif) as chairmen, the real power still resides with the party chief. not with amin fahim

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070026612

Wednesday, September 19, 2007 (Islamabad)
Pakistan Opposition PPP has threatened to resign from Parliament if the ban on their leader Benazir Bhutto becoming prime minister for a third term is not lifted.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/09/08/nat1.htm

ISLAMABAD, Sept 7: A power-sharing deal between President Gen Pervez Musharraf and PPP chairperson Ms Benazir Bhutto has collapsed mainly because of the latter’s demand to third-term prime ministership

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-08/2007-08-29-voa13.cfm?CFID=180058703&CFTOKEN=42273349
Local media report that Ms. Bhutto also wants an end to constitutional limits preventing her from serving a third term as prime minister.

picture 11- But Ms Bhutto said she would not be cowed and continued to campaign for the restoration of democracy and, some say, a third term as prime minister.

Bhutto has vowed to return to Islamabad and stand for a third term in the forthcoming elections

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/world/asia/04pakistan.html?ex=1349150400&en=c2749f3530aa9261&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Ms. Bhutto has been demanding a general amnesty for political leaders since 1988 and the end to a ban on prime ministers running for a third term.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/14/world/asia/14cnd-bhutto.html?ex=1347422400&en=841daeb9a4e68dbc&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Ms. Bhutto wants the corruption cases against her dropped and a ban on prime ministers running for a third term lifted

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Who was it that allowed Benazir to come to Pakistan in the first place?

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VERY democratic indeed! remember Bilawal’s mother always said “democracy is the best revenge”! :hoonh:

This guy Zardari wants all the power, this situation has convieniently worked out very well for him. No one’s mentioning the corruption and murder charges now are they?

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If Zardari is so corrupt, why wasnt he convicted? I mean he did spend alot of time in jail without a conviction didnt he? And what did they hold him in for... Murtaza's murder? So again, why did Mushy let Zardari go?

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The courts and your "independent judiciary" are corrupt themselves. Anyway, who would convict Zardari knowing what he has done to previous judges?

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:hehe: even the independent judiciary handpicked by musharraf was impotent? :hehe:

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Spock, if you insist that Zardari, PPP and their main ringleaders are all honest people, then I've lost complete respect for you.

I certainly do think that Musharraf has made serious errors in the recent past. I've also written on them. I was, and still hold, that letting Benny back into town was one of the worst things he did. No wait, I take that back. That's the second worst thing he did. The ultimate worst thing he did was letting Nawaz back in.

However, I'm a realist. American pressure forced Musharraf to strike a deal with Benazir. I don't view Musharraf as a totalitarian island, who makes decisions as he wills. He's in the middle of a major power shift going on in the middle east and south asia, and its all centered on oil. Right now, Pakistan is risking losing some of its provinces and territories and I'm sure Musharraf knows the grave consequences for Pakistan's future if he doesn't make the STRATEGIC (notice, I didn't say "right") decisions. His current goal is to keep the country together. I hope you realize that Pakistan is once again at risk for losing some of its land. I don't blame him as one person responsible for everything, like you. I keep things in perspective. Some events are absolutely inevitable based on how international events unfold.

I do not support Benazir's return to the country, and look what happened. She made a complete tamasha with all her loudspoken batameez behavior thru the city. Her demands, as described above, to have a 3rd term, to hand over A.Q. Khan, to work with the US's plans on dealing with terrorism in the western provinces, which I suspect do involve changing borders, and promises to let American soldiers into a, may I sternly remind you, SOVEREIGN nation, would have been gravely detrimental to Pakistan.

I may be one of the only ones in the world that heaved a big sigh of relief when she was assasinated. I do believe she was a human being, and I'd have preferred she had lived to see her grandkids OUTSIDE Pakistan. But I'd rather have a dead Benazir than a living one INSIDE Pakistan causing a complete breakdown of the country.

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Where did I say he (or anyone else) was honest. I am saying if hes such a crook like you say why didnt your honest (free from corruption) Musharraf regime let him go? Why is he back in Pakistan now? Why was BB allowed to come back, and all the charges against MQM terrorists dropped?

Deporting Pakistanis and sending them into exile is not something to be proud of. We wanted Musharraf to deal with NS IN PAKISTAN, not send him to Saudi. So in the end, its Musharraf whose the bigger crook.

Ok, and thats why this spineless pitho of Amreeka needs to be removed.

With him in power, losing ‘land’ is inevitable.

i) why was she allowed to return? ii) turning in AQ would have meant musharraf and the ISIs little secrets exposed. iii) BB couldnt have been a bigger american pitho than Musharraf iv) soverign nation under Mush :hehe:

tsk tsk, you find relief in ppl’s deaths?

Dont worry, uncle Mush would gladly fullfuil your breakdown wish.

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Zardari and Altaf are of same calibre. gutter kay keeray.
I don't wanna waste my words talking about Kalanaag. But Zardari is a very interesting and hated character in last 25 year political history. I always thought from the begnining that he has his own agenda (or someone else's worklist) and thats the reason he was presented to Bhutto family as the only bachelor Wadera who is also educated by mistake. He did the most damage to the party and corrupted Benazir (who was initially taking revenge and was power hungry). Most of her uncles left the party because of their (BB+Zardari) dictatorship, NWFP and even Lyari was angry at the couple. Check out how many alternate PPP candidates are running in the election against BB's approved ones.

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He has handpicked every judge in our esteemed judiciary and provided them with VIP security?