Bharatis ask: Why is Israel betraying India?

Bharatis are moaning, weeping and crying. Well done Pakistan! hahah!

Why is Israel betraying India?
MANOJ PUNDIT, NARESH RAGHUBEER and AJIT SOMESHWAR, THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 4, 2005

Dear Israeli friends: As you extend your hand of friendship to Pakistan, your friends in the Indian Diaspora are shaking their heads and wondering if Natan Sharansky was correct when he suggested that Israel has lost its moral compass.

Has Israel lost its moral clarity? We are wondering why your leaders, including those at the American Jewish Congress, are so ready to trade the Jewish people’s new courtship with India’s billion people, plus 25 million Diaspora Indians, for photo-ops and meaningless statements from Pakistan.
While no one doubts that these new overtures to Israel are within the strategic interests of Pakistan, it is difficult to see what specific benefits they will bring to Israel or Jews, and how they will improve the daily lives of Israelis.

Diaspora Indians like us have been working closely with members of the Jewish community and are actively encouraging stronger ties between our communities and countries. Let us acknowledge that the government of India can do much more to enhance our relationship with Israel – and it has been the goal of Diaspora Indians to encourage them to do just that.

We have much in common, not the least of which is our British heritage and our vibrant democracies. India has always provided a safe home for Jews. The problems of anti-Semitism which permeates the West and the Muslim world are not present in Hindu homes, or in our country.

As travel, trade and military cooperation unite us we quickly realize that Indians and Israelis can work together on issues of mutual self-interest. Safety and security, and our need to protect and defend our democratic values from radical Islamists seeking to destroy both our countries, certainly top this list.

Yet as this new relationship grows we must recognize that there are issues which could alienate us. We Indians are particularly sensitive.

FOLLOWING the election of the right-of-center BJP in 1996, Indians began to wash away the yoke of socialism and anti-Americanism. We began to reorient our world view to recognize our shared interests with Israel.

At the same time, for many Indians the feeling of betrayal by America’s alliance with Pakistan, our nearest threat, remains deep-rooted. In this early phase of courtship Israel must be careful not to raise among its Indian friends a feeling of betrayal as it engages Pakistan.

For most Indians the greatest threat to our country comes from Pakistan, a rogue neighbor armed with the nuclear bomb and governed by a military dictatorship – a scenario with which Israelis are all too familiar. Because of that threat, our military ties were strengthening to the point where Israel is the largest supplier of military technology and arms to India.

We are quickly becoming key strategic partners in the war against Islamic terrorism. It is natural, then, that Indians would have trouble understanding Israeli ties with a country that has not only threatened India’s democracy but played a significant role in arming Israel’s enemies.

PERHAPS MANY Israelis are not aware of the history of the Pakistani general, Pervez Musharraf, who staged a coup to become president. Allow us to introduce you to your new ally.

Were you aware that while Gen. Musharraf was in charge of the Pakistani army he supported A.Q. Khan (a metallurgist whom the establishment for years held up as the “father” of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb) as he made over 15 trips to share nuclear technology with Iran?

Two weeks ago, Musharraf admitted to the world the links between Pakistan and the Iranian and North Korean nuclear bomb. Given his admissions, many of us are anxious to see if those noble and fair bodies, the United Nations and the International Criminal Court, will charge Khan and his sponsors with violating international law.

Recognizing that a nuclear-armed Iran is of serious concern to the Israeli government, one is left to wonder why your government is seeking to befriend those who gave it the weapons that can destroy Israel.

Israelis many not be aware that although the Pakistani general-turned-president is supposedly on our side against radical Islam, its military leaders continues to sponsor cross-border terrorism in India post 9/11 and actively provide support for Muslim terrorists in Kashmir. Is this the type of neighbor Israel approves of?

Moreover, one wonders why Israel is seeking international recognition as a state from the general whose secret service created the Taliban, formally recognized its rule in Afghanistan, and under whose watch most of the 9/11 bombers trained.

Before rolling out the red carpet and inviting snakes into their chambers, Israelis should ask their leaders what is in this relationship for them. Will it bring peace? Will it improve their lives? Will Israelis be openly welcomed in Pakistan?

The Knesset should think of Israel’s own security and examine closely the role played by Pakistan and Gen. Musharraf in aiding and arming Iran with the nuclear bomb.

Assess the harm such a relationship will do to your efforts to continue to win the world’s one billion Indians to your cause. Finally, evaluate your new relationship, and ask yourself whether you are betraying your friendship with India, your natural ally, and what you hope to gain in return.

Naresh Raghubeer is the executive director of the Canadian Coalition for Democracies, which seeks to support democracies including Israel and India. Manoj Pundit and Ajit Someshwar are directors of the CCD and past presidents of the Indo-Canada Chamber of Commerce who visited Israel earlier this year.

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Frankly, I did not care to read the above article.

Any Indian who bemoans Israel's new-found love for Pakistan(and vice-versa) is living in a make-believe world.

All nations do what is in their best interest even if it means making un-natural alliances.....

So you have Bush attacking one country(Iraq) on mere suspicion of WMD proliferation but befriending another (Pakistan) even though the country is a proven WMD peddler to North Korea, Libya....

Foreign Policies are never principles based....but governed by blatant self-interest.

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Agreed, but still a step in the right direction–not necessarily for government interest.

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india and pakistan should seek friendship with each other instead of running around the world to find allies agianst each other.

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Yeap! 90% of Bharatis are living in make-believe world when it comes to Pakistan. Most of the Bharatis I know are in shock over Pak-Israel contacts. The article in jpost is a clear proof that shows Bharati hatred for even the name Pakistan.

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isreal is only seeking accpetance from islamic world and pakistan being
one of the largest islamic country it makes sense for israel to have good
relations with pakistan it has nothing to do with india/pakistan politics.

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May be on this forum. But read the article and then ask why these characters are hell bent on making this as an Pak-Bharat issue?

"Naresh Raghubeer is the executive director of the Canadian Coalition for Democracies, …
Manoj Pundit and
Ajit Someshwar are directors of the CCD and past presidents of the Indo-Canada Chamber of Commerce ..

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are they from indian foreign ministry?

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Well you are going to play wordy game now vik! Are you going to deny the impact of NRI community on the foreign policy of Bharat?

The feeling in Bharati circles is pretty much the same: resentful. I wish they were all more along the lines of your thinking. But unfortunately they are not. Hence the shock and moaning. Look even some1 is using the same logic as these Candian NRIs when he says: “So you have Bush attacking one country(Iraq) on mere suspicion of WMD proliferation but befriending another (Pakistan) even though the country is a proven WMD peddler to North Korea, Libya.”

These NRI dudes in Canada are more brave and honest in expressing the true Bharati mind. That’s all!

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What a silly attitude. The day Israel hands Pakistan over some advanced weapons is the day you can boast. Untill then, India is getting their advanced electronics that seriously threatens Pak airforce, and who knows what else.

Cheer on Israel if you must, but the fact is they are currently activley supporitng India against Pakistan…who cares what a few whiners are saying.

Pakistani talks with Israel will not change this status quo. I swear…some people have a reality aversion problem…

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all 1 billion worried about this what a joke. every one is talking about this
at every street corner about this .

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Agree 100%! You can choose your friends, but not your neighbours! Given that India is home to 100million + Muslims, it only makes bloody sense.

It’s sad, but the Pakistani identity has formed into one that is based on the negation of India. This has to change.

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Hmmm! That may be true if we are ready to fire our big time leader like Advani for making a small statement of reconciliation.

Baba it is the Bharati mind set that is negating Pakistan and Pakistanis. These little kid-like-adults are frothing at every moment Pakistan achieves something even a tiny aspect. Go talk to these NRI characters from Canada and tell them they need not fart if Israel and Pakistan come closer.

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this has more to do with iran nuclear progrrame .
pakistani coperation may be needed in this area but pakistan may ask something
against india for this help.

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The article is too long to read but if the title is any indication, it's likely a waste of time to read through.

It's in India's interest to get Pakistan to build working relationships with as many non-fundamentalist and progressive nations as possible. Unfortunately this "talk" with Israelis has been characterized as nothing more than talks and so I interpret it as nothing more than an attempt by Musharaf and his FM to earn another cookie point from Bush....they have to do something to dig out of the London bombing travesty and Pakistan got dragged into it

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Well, my friend. This just shows the close mindedness of Hindus. And yes they will cry and moan in pain as they think it is their right to have everything. This is just a shear example of their narrowness and hatred towards Pakistan.

On the other hand, I am worried. Friendship with Isreal is not good. This move is gonna harm Pakistan (Which material Hindus cannot see) but yes, it is harmful to Pakistan. And we should think about it more carefully.

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you are trying to divert the attention as though it is good anti-indian move

first of all it is iran that is worried

Teheran on the Kasuri-Shalom meeting but Iranian diplomatic sources quoted Mr Mahmud Ahmadinejad as saying, “We are shocked to the point of being choked off.” Antagonism towards Israel being the focus of its foreign policy over the past many decades, Iran would feel badly isolated to see Pakistan joining the Muslim countries desperate to establish diplomatic contacts with Israel

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/sep-2005/5/editorials3.php

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what do you refer bharti in private conversations?

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hmm. iran is wierd. but overall i think this is great.

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Thank you. However we shouldn’t use pick every hindu to be Pakistan’s enemy. Only Bharati nationalists among Hindus are the one creating fasad (terror) in the Indian subcontinent.

Friendship with any country has good and bad aspects. That is why we have “fauj zafar mauj” (large contingent) in the foreign ministry. You have to be more specific that simply saying the freindship is harmful for Pakistan. Please open a sepearte thread and express yourself.

p.s. yes Bhartis was my typo. Too bad we can’t fix the title once it is published.