Agreed Mr Khilafah
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Agreed Mr Khilafah
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very well explained, i agree aswell mr khilafah
BEYOND SEPTEMBER 11th THE ROLE OF MUSLIMS IN THE WEST
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE SUNDAY 15th SEPTEMBER 2002 LONDON ARENA DOCKLANDS
How should the Muslims respond to the plans laid by the kufaar to make Muslims accept the political culture of the west?
The arrival of september 11th 2002 marks one year since the Muslims have been forced to make a choice, "either you're with us (i.e. accept the western way of life) or you're with the terrorists (i.e. any Muslim who stands up for his deen)"
Khalifa,
Your definition of freedom is profoundly biased in your views against secularism.
Secondly,
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because these examples are before the Islamic state was established and the laws could practically be applied.
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You are indeed making a very false statement or maybe you haven't read the history of Islam in Madina and of the man Abdullah ibn Ubayy ibn Salul.
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**Khalifa*,
Your definition of freedom is profoundly biased in your views against secularism.
Secondly,
You are indeed making a very false statement or maybe you haven't read the history of Islam in Madina and of the man Abdullah ibn Ubayy ibn Salul.
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How is the definition that is given biased? Alsoexplain your point on Abdullah ibn Sallaul
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**Khalifa*,
Your definition of freedom is profoundly biased in your views against secularism.
Well I'm against secularism just like all Muslims should be,
Secularism makes lawful what Allaah has made unlawful.
The Rule of Allaah (Sharee'ah) is compulsory and has basic laws and regulations that cannot be changed. Some of these laws are concerned with the acts of worship, the relations between men and women, etc.
What is the position with regard to these laws? Secularism makes adultery lawful if the male and the female are consenting adults.
As for Riba (interest on money), it is the basis of all financial transactions in secular economies. On the contrary, Allaah says (which means) "O you who believe, fear Allaah and leave what comes from Riba if you are believers. If you do not do so, then wait for a war from Allaah and His Messenger." [Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow) Verses 278 and 279]
As for alcohol, all secular systems allow the consumption of alcohol and make selling it a lawful business.
Secularism is clear unbelief (Kufr).
Secularism is based on separating religion from all the affairs of this life and hence, it rules by law and regulations other than Allaah's laws. Hence, secularism rejects Allaah's rules with no exception and prefers regulations other than Allaah's and His Messenger's . In fact, many secularists claim that Allaah's laws might have been suitable for the time they were revealed but are now outdated.
As a result, most of the laws governing the daily affairs of life in the countries ruled by secular systems contradict Islaam. Allaah says (which means) "Do they seek a judgment of Ignorance? But, who, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allaah?" [Surah Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread with Food) Verse 50]
Ibn Katheer said in the Tafseer of this verse that Allaah is denouncing those who reject His ruling and accept other rulings that are not based on the Sharee'ah of Allaah. Whoever does so is indeed a non-believer. Indeed, belief in Allaah can never go with the acceptance of other than His rulings in one's heart. Allaah says (which means) "If any do fail to judge by what Allah has revealed, they are non-believers." [Surah Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread with Food) Verse 44]
From the above, the status of secularism and its relation to Islaam are clear. But the ignorance about the Islaamic truth is still dominating the Muslim's mind. Most secular systems repeat slogans like "no religion in politics and no politics in religion" or "religion is for Allaah, and the state is for the people." Such sayings portray their view of Islaam as a religion to be practiced in the mosque only, and that it should not be allowed to rule life outside the mosque. Furthermore, they try to deceive people with democratic slogans like "personal freedom" and "people governing people." That means that people come first and no place is made for the ruling of Allaah.
This is why secularism is clear Kufr, this is why secular systems have no legality and authority and should be rejected by Muslims.
Khilafa:Your entire premise is based on an erroneous assumption.
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Everone knows what free means. Dom however is not god in greek (that would be Dei) but state. Freedom means Free from a state of whatever.
*>>>How is the definition that is given biased? *
I believe Chaltahai answered that. Also, secularism might be a spiritual doctrine to a few but to the masses its a political solution to a diverse nation.
>>>Also explain your point on Abdullah ibn Sallaul
You claimed that as the law and state was not established in Mecca, so the Holy Prophet (saw) forgave & forget who trespassed against him. And I pointed out to you Abdullah ibn Sallaul who committed blasphemy repeatedly against the Holy Prophet (saw) in Madina so much so that his own son begged AnHazoor (saw) to let him be the one kill him and that great prophot of Allah never let him, nor he let anyone else retaliate aganist him. Not even once!
So, if you want to hang the blasphemous out of your own insecurity, be my guest! But you have no right to claim that the law is in the following of the Sunnah of the my beloved prophet (saw)who forgave all of his bitter enemies and never said a word in return to the abuses they showered on him.
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Khilafa:Your entire premise is based on an erroneous assumption.
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Everone knows what free means. Dom however is not god in greek (that would be Dei) but state. Freedom means Free from a state of whatever.
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Thankyou for your correction. A muslim brother told me that definition, but i'll check it out.
Never the less the concept of freedom means that man should not be restricted as mentioned in the encarta:
Liberty or Freedom, right of individuals to act as they choose.
So the question is that is man in Islam allowed to behave the way that he wants?
The answer is pretty obvious. Man in life is restricted by Allah's commands and prohibitions and he cannot overstep them.
agreed?
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So the question is that is man in Islam allowed to behave the way that he wants?
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No, the real question is who decides the way a man is allowed to behave?
The individual, God, or a group of self-righteous mullahs?
The answer is pretty obvious. It lies between an individual and God. The mullahs should have nothing to do with it.
Just think, in you new khilafah, they may issue a fatwa that the internet is harem and you could be punished severely.
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No, the real question is who decides the way a man is allowed to behave?
The individual, God, or a group of self-righteous mullahs?
The answer is pretty obvious. It lies between an individual and God. The mullahs should have nothing to do with it.
Just think, in you new khilafah, they may issue a fatwa that the internet is harem and you could be punished severely.
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Seminole, you've completely changed the direction of the discussion!
When the muslim understands he was put on this Earth for a specific reason he acts accordingly. A muslim applies Islam throughout his life whether n his personal life or in the society. Therefore a muslim does not believe that he is free to commit any act as he pleases rather when undertaking an action he checks it out if Islam allows it and then he performs the action.
Separate from that, Islam encourages technology and science as they are universal and they do not belong to a specific way of life.
Islam, when applied, advanced the Islamic state in fields such as science, maths, astronomy, literature and other areas. Hence the history of the Islamic state is a proof to counter your claim.