Best solution to present problem. Please comment.

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I think present situation in Pakistan has turned evil and there are only two possibilities (as far as I can see).

First solution:

Thug Nawaz government realise the severity of the situation as they have to lose most due to the situation on the ground and what is happening. If they would not do that than the proverb would come true … ‘kurtay ko bachatay bachatay un kee shalwar bhie jayea gee’.

So, to avert bigger disaster across the road, they should calm down, think and accept that last election was rigged and was controversial. All political parties, media outlets, and even Election commissioner accepted that.

So, this government should follow what Election commissioner (Fakhru Bhai) did, that is, resign from their posts.

Anyhow, before resignation, they should reconstitute election commission to everyone’s satisfaction, declare and make it part of constitution that all future election would happen under the supervision of armed forces inside and outside polling stations who would be responsible of the votes, counting of the votes, and election results … and would stand with the result giving the result their military backing.

Than government should call for new election in December 2014, form care-taker government with consultation and satisfaction of every political parties and army generals … so that all could take responsibility of the caretaker government being impartial, especially armed forces (army consent is required, because they have guns and can give strong backing to any set-up and election results … that is, army would become guarantor (Zamin) of the arrangements (so, whatever the result, no one would be able to challenge the result easily).

Then present government dissolves assembly, resigns from their posts and handovers power to care-taker government.

Second solution … should come soon, preferably before mid August, if first solution is not followed soon:

If the situation continues as it is (no one is willing to back down), than to save the country from further turmoil, Army should overtake the country, bring in intelligent and non-political people from anywhere in the world, re-write the constitution appropriately with heavy punishment for corruption, nepotism, misuse of power, etc.

Than scarp present constitution and judiciary, sack police force and all known or perceive corrupts in the bureaucracy of the country, than implement new constitution and fill the posts of judiciary, police and bureaucracy appropriately with new faces.

Punish old faces severely if after investigation they are found guilty.

Make sure that military rule lasts for at least next 25 years, until time, country becomes ready for not only free and fair election but people also become capable to vote with understanding, independently, and without fear … that means, have decent standard of education, have health and job problem sorted out, are out of Bradari loyalty, and are not dependent on Sardars, Zamindars, Khans, Religious houses, or Waderas.

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Whichever solution make the State a failure should do!!! be it bringing in Army or bringing in Thug IK or Liar Qadri or Bhata khor of Karachi

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Why invalidating or nullifying an election what everyone (at least most) thinks was rigged and thus has become controversial, can be regarded as failure of state?

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The man who support killer ALTAF Kallu , Tullu Qatli , Chor chaujhries and Sheeda Talli , is starting the solution with saying one thug .
Jaisay koi play boy/male prostitute doosron ko bura kahay
Aisay salution naheen fitna gari hoti hay Hazoor

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People need to start using their brains and think what is best for Pakistan rather than blindly following so-called leaders, who do nothing but you use them to further their own personal agendas. If you are going to allow yourself to be used then at least ensure that it is in the national interest.

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what's up with all these name calling? I recall doing that in elementary school but eventually grew out of it. ;)

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I like option one but second option- the biggest problem with military is they could also be persuaded with enough cash to look around the people who are the real culprit. People with low cash reserves will be persecuted as usual in Pakistan.

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Army takeover is not in the national interest, if it does take place then it would only serve the interest of the corrupt generals and can only be done on the behest of the US.

The Army has ruled the country for about half of its history. When the army takeovers people are cheering but after a few years we find ourselves in war, be it 1965, 1971, 1979 or 2001. When the army leaves the country is in a worse position than when the army took over, and the state institutions are stunted, and they make deals with corrupt feudals, and bureaucrats. The become status quo forces. They need wars to cling onto power and to enjoy US support in return for fighting their wars. Professionalism in the army suffers. They corrupt the system so that instead of politicians and bureaucrats working for the electorate, they end up believing that they road to power is through polishing the shoes of the generals.

If the army rule was so good for Pakistan then the army would not need to take control again and again. If they do need to takeover again then it means that they failed previous time around and would likely fail again.

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^^^ Even though I do not agree with you that army takeover is on behest of US and corrupt work for the interest of generals, No one saying that army should take over.

I also do not agree with you that when army leaves, the country get into worse position than when army takes over. Actually, army in power did many thing `good for the country, but also did something bad, especially Zia.

I believe that army has always left country in better economic position than when army came in … though I admit that socially (not economically but socially) Pakistan did very badly and gone down the drain of terrorism, sectarianism, and extremism due to Zia and his flawed policies, especially due to his love of licking the back side of Saudi Arabia.

I also do not agree that being in power effects army professionalism, rather it enhance their professionalism, and historically it was always army generals who ruled and governed at the same time, until time present type of democracy became fashion and army generals took back seats, especially in western mature democracies (where politicians rule, not due to just election, but due to their moral high ground ... what Pakistan politicians do not have).

However, leaving aside the argument that army rule or whatever is good or bad for the country, what I want to say is that, IF and IF, present government do not resolve the problem amicably than army should take over, and if that happens than army should make sure that they completely rewrite the constitution, hang corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, police, judges, and confiscate their wealth … and than rule the country for foreseeable future, not just 9 to 11 years what has happened till now.

But if situation get sorted out amicably, where everyone is satisfied than army do not have to intervene. Here, when I say everyone, it does not mean politicians in parliament but all who has stake in the system, those who have interest as politicians as well as those who have interest as voters (because stake of both are important, especially voters and that includes armed forces). This in my opinion can happen according to what I wrote as ‘solution one’.

To accept a government formed through election (2013) that we all know was massively rigged, has to be ‘NO’ and unacceptable. Whoever thinks or have opinion that if election was rigged then instead of bringing down government through road protests, court and EC should be approached. Approaching court and EC to me is again ‘NO’ and unacceptable. I am pretty sure that such opinion of going to court and EC is similar to opinion of goon supporters defending dictators like Mubarrak (Egypt), Saddam (Iraq), Asad (Syria), etc ... as even these dictators rule (or used to rule) the country through (massively rigged) elections ... and in Pakistan, goons of Thug Nawaz and goons of other Thug politicians want the same, because they know that people in state institutions are their handpicked.

When facing a corrupt and brutal (Zalim) dictator minded Thug Nawaz and his team, one cannot trust state institutions that are handpicked by Thugs or are neutralized by the Thugs using money or threat. So, if thug Nawaz does not agree to correct the election results amicably, the results that he obtained from massively rigging the election, than there is no option other than mass protest (public justice). I know that to suppress protest, it is likely that Thug Nawaz might use brutal policing, but if Thug does that then mob should do what mob can too, that is response in same coin (become as brutal as police). I know that if that happens than it would force armed forces to intervene, who once intervenes, may rule the country for long time. But then, in situation where thugs would like to rule by force (through brutal policing), it is better that instead of brutal dictator minded thugs ruling, army rules.

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wah kya solution dya hay :lajawab: shaitan jo landan mein dum dabba ke chhupa betha hay woh bhi sharma jaaiy:devil:

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Well if you look at history General Ayub after taking over tried to contain the Soviet bloc. Zia after he took over had to join the US war in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Musharraf after taking over had to agree to joining the US war against Afghanistan. It seems a coincidence that each time the US needs support for an adventure in the region it prefers working generals.

When Ayub left he had made a big mistake to start a war with India at the behest of some politicians which derailed Pakistan economically. Yahya was also used by politicians for their vested interest and the country split into two countries. Zia and his top generals were assassinated and the country never fully recovered from that and paid a big price from the ensuing instability. Musharraf left us the legacy of the Zardari rule and the terrorism. Generals think they are smart but ultimately find themselves out of their depth and eventually seek the help of politicians to save them and the country. Not to mention that the enemies of Pakistan try to take advantage of the situation created by dictators to sow seeds of trouble within the country.

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Best solution would have been adoption of a policy of restraint by all and timely reconciliatory measures by Govt.

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Well, since no one is giving any opinion other than ‘wohi laap alapna kay’ …

Degree tou degree hoti hay, asli ho yea jail …
Jamhooriyat tou jamhooriyat hoti hay, vote say aye yea thappay say

I would like to move forward.

Assuming that army takes over … what I would like to suggest to coming military ruler (if he comes) … not in one go but bit by bit. My few bits in this post are:

Important action required:
1: Rule the country for next many years until complete reform is implemented.
2: Punish severely or hang all corrupt political leaders (who ever held public office), judges, bureaucrats, police and even past military men … be they retired or in service, whose corruption get verified (by military intelligence), and confiscate their wealth and wealth of their children.

Political reform needed:
1: Bring in Presidential system in the country with several tiers in government.
2: Divide Pakistan into at least 50 administrative units … making area and population as criteria of units where:
3: Parliament based on proportional representation should be there along with President.

Administrative units:
A: Each administrative unit should have an area no more than 10000 square miles.
B: Each administrative unit should have population no more than 10 million.
C: Even if a city is big enough that holds more than 10 million people than also it should be divided into two or more administrative units.

… Rest to come. : )

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I sincerly hope PML-N Govt survives for sake of democracy and Nawaz comes out of his lassi and Paye dumbness and stop dealing with black-listed Chinese and Turkish companies and start looking at real problems of Pakistan i.e education and health issues..

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^^^ I do not know what ‘sake of democracy’ you are talking about?

What I know, democracy is system where ordinary people, people without contact or means, people who earn their living on daily basis, can say anything they want, find no discrimination in any walk of life, can find jobs and affordable health care, do not die of hunger, and can live peacefully and happily.

When I think of Pakistan, I can say with 100 percent surety that:

Ordinary Pakistanis, who have no contacts or means, lives on his day to day earning, lives without discrimination, lives with better job opportunity and better health care facilities, lives with more peace, security and happiness when there is military rule in Pakistan.

Whereas whenever there is so-called demon-cracy in Pakistan, most ordinary Pakistanis, even those who have contacts and modest means, lives with discrimination, lives with lack of job opportunity and health care facilities, lives with sky-high corruption in every department, lives without peace, security and happiness, lives in constant fear of losing life, izzat, property, lives with no hope of future … as any person with contacts high up and better means can play with their lives, izzats, and properties easily.

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A) Abolish Constitution at it's present state

B) Cleanup of institutions, past corrupt rulers by exemplary punishments

C) Establish a new constitution around following basic human rights
1. Right to life
2. Right to practice any religion freely
3. Right to petition govt
4. Right to Assembly
5. Right to fair and speedy trial
6. Rule of Law - Govt. must obey law, Military must obey law, Legal institutes must obey law, no one is above law
7. People's representation in govt

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Watch video … Rana Mashood (present law minister of Punjab) taking bribe (Rushwat) and also taking bribe (Rushwat) on behalf of Shahbaz Shareef

Khara Sach 13th August 2014 Full - Secret Videos Of Hamza And Shahbaz Sharif - YouTube

Now, if this is demon-cracy than laanat hou ayess demoncracy per.

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It can't turn into an army takeover yet again. When the US was founded, even as recent as the mid 1800's there were plots to simply kill the President, Vice President, Secretary of State etc and take over the country. It took years of dedication to staying democratic, and of course, being economically successful, that molded the identity of America as a nation. Of course, this was before globalization, and the era of developed countries exerting their political and economic clout onto others, so the road forward is much harder for Pakistan. But you cannot devolve from democracy, or at least the **appearance **of democracy.

Ata Turk was highly authoritarian in guiding Turkey, taking illegal steps to deter religious parties, which ultimately helped Turkey. The answer is complex: you need democracy but when the country as polarized as it is today, you also need someone to break the rules and move everyone along, and then **willingly step down. **That's rare, if not impossible.

I do agree that the constitution needs to be rewritten. The American Constitution and Canadian Bill of Rights are held as universal documents by which laws are measured, at least in name. The way politicians and generals have butchered the constitution to suit their power-grabbing whims hardly inspires reverence or gravity.

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The real culprit i guess....is democracy.

First get rid of it... the democracy, the democratic process and the demographics of democracy altogether.

The idol worshiping will follow next...

and ofcourse... accountability...ever heard of this? People of Pakistan???

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is ka ek he solution hey :cobra:
altaf bhai ko president
IK ko PM
TUQ ko bhi PM
:omg: