Many threads are dedicated to the wrong doings that the United States has done thoughout its history, very educational. But this being a Pakistani website the discussion of the events that took place 3 decades ago aren’t talked about, for the education of everyone let’s look at this subject, please share your thoughts.
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IMO this topic has been discussed in great detail at the very same message board right after the Humdood ur Rehman commision report came out in public. I think most of the people would agree with me that what happened in East Pakistan(now Bangladesh) back in early 70's was a great tragedy, also I would like to mention here that nobody could actually come to a firm conclusion about how many people actually died in East Pakistan(I'm assuming probably because of lack of technology, and with litreally no global interest in Bangladesh, just like whats happening in most African countries bloody wars, and a general silence from the world community at large, therefore no fingers to point), and the figure actually varied from person to person, some estimated that the death toll was 3 million, and most of the Bangalis stick to this figure, on the other hand if you ask a Pakistani, he/she would put the figure <5000. But regardless of the death toll, it was a grave tragedy. Also, I think it would be not fair to mention the Pakistani treatment of its own citizens, to compare it to the recent American/Iraqi situation, because we didnt invade any country, people who did get killed, alot of them were Mugti Bahanis members(a terrorist group supported by Pakistan's arch rival India).
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Many threads are dedicated to the wrong doings that the United States has done thoughout its history, very educational. But this being a Pakistani website the discussion of the events that took place 3 decades ago aren't talked about, for the education of everyone let’s look at this subject, please share your thoughts.
Mods if you delete this subject without letting me know why it will be reposted.
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i dont know why you brought up this incident, somthing that happened many years ago and has no relevance to current affairs in the middle east and also any just comparision to the US occupation/liberation of iraq...
Zulf, very nice reply.
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i dont know why you brought up this incident, somthing that happened many years ago and has no relevance to current affairs in the middle east and also any just comparision to the US occupation/liberation of iraq...
Zulf, very nice reply.
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It has nothing to do with the Iraq’s occupation. I was asking about it as many Pakistanis in WA condemn the U.S. for it’s past actions but conveniently fail to remember their own countries failures and crimes. I think it’s important to remember where you come from especially when you are gong to throw stones. Actions that were wrong should be condemned no matter the perpetrators. Often in WA the focus of bringing up past atrocities isn’t to learn from them but rather to be insulting that goes along with some empty rhetoric.
The acts commited by Pakistan are denyed by many Pakistanis here at Gup, even my thread title was edited by a mod to add a question mark as if to question whether a massacre took place or not.
What happened in BD was wrong and a great tragedy. However, we dont claim the moral high ground and call ourselves the champion of human rights and upholders of democracy and freedom throughout the world. The ones who do make such claim obviously do not live up to it.
UTD I have consistently condemned the massacres ..all though I would say some of the figrues mentioned by people are being wildly exaggerated and the Bangladeshi government itself doesn't put the figure at anything near even a million.
Pakistan has had an unfortuante history with regard to Army conducted operations, however it is unfair to compare a civil war situation with a Military occupation of what was a sovereign nation, if for example you compare the American civil war with all subsequent US wars more Americans died in the US civil war then in World War 1 and 2 combined.
But it looks like the Army leadership nor anyone else for that matter has learnt anything as discrimination continues against minorities in Pakistan. 
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UTD, I think if you visit Pakistan affairs forum more often you will realise that we(majority of us), do not hesitate to condemn any massacre which took place in our country or anywhere else for that matter. Just couple of weeks ago, there was a super hit thread, about the killing of local tribesmen in N.W.F.P. province of Pakistan, and everybody(again majority), blamed the government of Pakistan for commiting such henious acts against our own people. We the proud Pakistanis, have always condemned not only the massacres in East Pakistan, but we have also condemned the massacres of the Afghan people. Now, at the same time I’m compelled to say that while we did commit these kinda henious acts, we dont claim to be a moral guardian like some people we know. Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More
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LOL. Ouch… 
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It has nothing to do with the Iraq’s occupation. I was asking about it as many Pakistanis in WA condemn the U.S. for it’s past actions but conveniently fail to remember their own countries failures and crimes. I think it’s important to remember where you come from especially when you are gong to throw stones. Actions that were wrong should be condemned no matter the perpetrators. Often in WA the focus of bringing up past atrocities isn’t to learn from them but rather to be insulting that goes along with some empty rhetoric.
The acts commited by Pakistan are denyed by many Pakistanis here at Gup, even my thread title was edited by a mod to add a question mark as if to question whether a massacre took place or not.
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i don think neone denies that. wat happend then was shame, an utter shame n i think most pakis except that. people in power then were barbarians. i hope 1971 never happend.
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kya baat hai sir aapki.
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kya baat hai sir aapki.
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This topic dead and dusted, lets keep it that way!
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Zulfi, I tried to click the link but it doesnt work.
UTD, first of all, these two are entirely different scenarios but still to answer your question, I dont recall Pakistan or ANY other nation of the world acclaiming itself to be the messangers of freedom and doves of peace as America repeatedly has, inspite of its evil doings.
This is common sense that good and bad people exist in every nation. The only difference is that bad is always denounced. But, on the other hand, I have seen many Americans supporting the recent claims and attacks of America in the middle east region.