A thought provoking question has come to me today as I was thinking about it last night and a elder also raised it today. So I would kindly request your input in terms of Islamic perspective / Ruling. JazakAllah in Advance.
Question: We perform / send Eesaal-e-Swaab for the forgiveness of Believers and those who passed away by the will of Allah, however, those who have committed suicide, knowing that it’s Haraam to do so, now as believers we do Eesaal e Sawaab but will Eesaal e Sawaab reach those who commit suicide?
Indeed Allah Almighty forgives all sins except shirk, but a person whose taken his life which is not his/hers to take, are they / will they still be considered within the boundaries of Allahs Mercy?
A thought provoking question has come to me today as I was thinking about it last night and a elder also raised it today. So I would kindly request your input in terms of Islamic perspective / Ruling. JazakAllah in Advance.
Question: We perform / send Eesaal-e-Swaab for the forgiveness of Believers and those who passed away by the will of Allah, however, those who have committed suicide, knowing that it's Haraam to do so, now as believers we do Eesaal e Sawaab but will Eesaal e Sawaab reach those who commit suicide?
Indeed Allah Almighty forgives all sins except shirk, but a person whose taken his life which is not his/hers to take, are they / will they still be considered within the boundaries of Allahs Mercy?
what are you trying to say that people who commit suicide their souls aren't taken away by the will of Allah? ...... that is not possible ...... maut ka din muqarar he .... we all know that ...... that person's maut was fixed at that time at that particular place hence his/her soul taken away by the will of Allah ..... if he/she wasn't passed away by the will of Allah then Allah could have saved him/her after suicide or Allah would have changed his/her mind regarding suicide ??? ...... jab Allah ne likhi he aur jab Allah ki marzi he tab maut aani hi aani he aur jab nahi likhi tub nahi aa sakti chahe insaan hazaar kohishay kare suicide ki ya marne ....
Question: We perform / send Eesaal-e-Swaab for the forgiveness of Believers and those who passed away by the will of Allah, however, those who have committed suicide, knowing that it's Haraam to do so, now as believers we do Eesaal e Sawaab but will Eesaal e Sawaab reach those who commit suicide?
Indeed Allah Almighty forgives all sins except shirk, but a person whose taken his life which is not his/hers to take, are they / will they still be considered within the boundaries of Allahs Mercy?
I have read that suicide is not an act of kufr, but is a major sin. I don't know if this is correct.
Anything less than shirk might be forgiven. When we ask Allah for our own forgiveness, we don't say, "Oh Allah, I know that you don't forgive shirk, so please only forgive me for the sins I committed which were less than shirk." Instead we ask Him with the umeed He'll forgive all of our sins.
For the people who have died, when making dua for isaal-e-sawab, we don't say "Allah, give this sawab to those who have committed no shirk. Allah only forgive those members of the ummat who have not committed shirk or zina or, etc"
We tend to pray for forgiveness for all members of the ummat...that are alive and those of who have passed on. We cannot be 100% certain if Allah has forgiven all our major sins or even if all our good works have been accepted. If we don't know of our own fate in the next world, why dwell on others?"
That said, just pray for the ummah on the whole and leave it to Allah to decide who will receive isaal-e-sawab or not.
as far as i know, the namaaz e janaazah is not jaaiz for someone who commits suicide. that in turn implies that the case is in front of Allah, by-passing humans.
if namaaz e janaazah is forbidden for such people, how can we send du'aa or kalaam ul Allah for iisaal-e-sawaab? i don't think so.
^ moot ka tu waqt muqarar hy but it;s our choice to let jabrail take our soul or we throw it to him
The point is Izraeel came to take his/her soul by Allah’s will …. Now don’t tell me that Izraeel have free will aur woh apni marzi se aa gaye us insaan ki jaan nikaalne ke liye ….
If Allah didn’t want this thing to happen then Allah wouldn’t have put that person in difficult situation which lead him/her to suicide( we are human beings, we do such things when exposed to certain environment & who created us like this? …. Allah did) ……… and again if it wasn’t his/her time then Allah would have changed his/her mind ….. we think we have free will but we actually don’t …. Everything that is happening is because Allah want it to happen this way ….. simple ….. agar Allah ki marzi hoti tu us insaan ka mind change ho jaata ya kuch bhi aisa hota jis se who suicide attempt na karta …. Par aisa nahi hua …. Us ki maut Allah ne aise hi likhe thi …. Hame aisa lagta he ke us ne yeh rasta choose kiya par aisa nahi he … free will is just an illusion ...... us ne yeh raasta choose karna hi karna tha chahe jo marzi ho jaata because Allah wanted it that way...… us ne wohi choose kiya jo Allah ne us se choose karwaya ya jo Allah ki marzi thi …. Agar aisa nahi he tu Allah us ka mind change kar dete ya kuch aur ho jata .. ….
Wait so the thing that confuses me that if A person commits suicide it's haram right but then his/her death was already written by Allah so he/she couldn't do anything about it! Then why punishment for those people? We cannot stop death!
Bibi the point is if Allah wanted him/her not to attempt suicide then HE would have changed his/her mind …… now you will say that person had free will ( which is an illusion) hence he/she did that but in real it is just the environment he/she was exposed too ( by Allah) which made him/her act in such a way ? ……. That’s what Allah wanted & that’s exactly what happened? ……. Simple ….…. If Allah wanted HE would have changed the surroundings ya kuch aur? ……. Allah can do anything & everything ……… Allah knows that we human beings are tend to do such things then again who created us …. Allah did? …… that was his/her time that’s why he/she died & suicide was exactly the way how his/her death was written ……. Even suicides cant happen without Allah’s will because Izraeel comes to collect the soul by HIS will ……. Do you really think that Izraeel came all the way down to earth because some random person on earth decided to attempt suicide? ….. no, its not like that …… Don’t tell me this world is going on & on because of us humans? …… Allah is the supreme authority ……. HE is operating everything ……
Why you guys think that only good things can come from Allah & bad things from human beings such as suicide, rape etc ? ……… I MEAN SERIOUSLY ……
Lets suppose if Allah didn’t order Izraeel to take that particular persons soul then he would have survived( because Allah wanted him/her to) , no matter how much he/she tries for suicide. when its not meant to be it will NOT happen …, & suicide is just haram & Allah is gafoorurahaeem, what if that person asks for forgiveness after that survival ? …….. the point is aisa hona hi tha …… us ko aise hi marna tha ….. agar Allah ne us ko aisi maut se bachana hota ( like I mentioned before) to bacha letay …. Nothing is difficult for Allah ….. agar us ko dozakh se bachaana hota tu bacha lete ….. but it wasn’t written like that in his/her “KISMET” …
& as far as haqeeqats are concerned …. There are only 2 types of taqdeers….. one is taqdeer-e-muallaq & one is taqdeer –e- mubbarram… if I am not wrong ……. One is fixed while the other one can be changed by duas … then again free will has nothing to do with this because duas are predestined too? ….. we think we are making dua by our choice but we are actually not… again illusion …… & let me mention duas “CAN” change things in our “KISMET” …… CAN change ….. “shayad change ho jaye” …… see again wohi hona he jo Allah ki marzi he ….. chahe dua mango ya na mango …. Allah ne hame yaha pe bhi inform kar diya he ke sab kuch meri marzi se hota he …. Simple ….. is liye ho sakta he …… no gurantee … hona wohi he jo Allah ki marzi he … end of story …
Time and again it has been told to you that we do have freedom to choose … This is within the Knowledge of Allah (SWT) … What Allah (SWT) Allows to happen is not the same as what Allah (SWT) has Legislated for us to do … The Decree is a combination of what we can’t change and of what we can have changed … The only illusion in this matter is that we think ‘we are doing things ourselves’ … When in fact our decisions are facilitated by Allah (SWT) to give us the impression that our choices lead on to real effects … But the decisions we make are not illusion … Even if they in the Knowledge of Allah (SWT) … they are 100% our decisions and 100% Known by Allah (SWT) … You cannot preach otherwise because that is not the Islamic position … If you do not understand this position then say so … But do not try to say something that which is not the case … I have noticed that you are doing this a lot …
And it is true … Some suicide attempts are unsuccessful, some however are successful … In neither case was it Allah (SWT)'s Will for any individual to commit suicide … But if that happens to be the case then in full Knowledge of Allah (SWT) the individual’s decision path led him in that dark space and Allah (SWT) facilitated it … With or without influence … such thoughts and feelings of suicide come as a test … To pass the test is to not lose hope and not to fall in to despair … To fail the test is to place too much worth in the hardships of this life and an attempt to escape them … This is simple … Your what ifs and self deluded problems are you own …
There are so many problems in your discourse …
It is true belief that bad is a result of our inefficiencies and good is a result of the favour of Allah (SWT) … It is also true belief that both good and evil are made by Allah (SWT) … But again evil is not chosen for us until we choose it for ourselves … The reason why Allah (SWT) Knows we have a portion of evil at a given point in our lives is because He Knows what decisions we make in all our decision making junctures, He also Knows in which of those junctures we seek His Help … But our decision is not illusion … Or else punishment would be unfair and unjust …
For the opening post ... Instead of committing suicide on imminent rape ... I would advise as much as your energy allows is to fight viciously so much that you could kill a hundred ... This may result in ones own protection or it could result in ones own death ... But that sort of death would a martyrs death ...
There is always a decision that one can make against suicide ...
So Many Interesting opinions and views. I now have sufficient input in this matter to answer the brother who posed this question.
JazakAllah everyone for your input.
I was especially moved by Iraj and Psyah Ki Posts. Thank you.
One think i will mention is regarding it is that if a person fails to have hope in the mercy of Allah and takes the cowards way out to get away from the troubles and sorrow, and in return pass the blame to 'destiny' that it was meant to be.. then wouldnt that person be accusing Allah Almighty of wanting BAD for that person whereas Allah Almighty is FREE from all faults and mishaps?
Yes Allah has All the knowledge of Destiny ..its the person who actually takes / chooses his path. The person has the two options to live or to die.. and YES again, whether to person dies a natural / normal death or suicide. HE was going to die anyway.. and Izraeel would have came in all circumstances..but the fact remains is the actual method to ending the life.. being killed, drown, strangled, illness etc.. are all to do with the second party playing the role of causing death whereas suicide is only by your choice.
Someone mentioned, about the Janaazah not be performed on a suicide body. I will try to find out.
& Peace,