Salaam,
Our prophet(PBUH)sayed that there is one sure way to be good muslim is to follow what Quoran say and hadiths.He(PBUH) also sayed people who will start to follow others ways will be far away from Islam.
When i went in pakistan two years ago now(it was first time),i saw so many people(poor&rich,educated&non-educated) who went to see phirs and pray them.I couldn’t believe it!i think it’s chirk doing that!
Is someone here who believe in phir and can explain me why?
I really can’t understand!some ppl have read Quoran but still do opposite things!And why in Pak. nobody accuse the phirs;like maulvis can say people that is chirk.
Ok bye.
(for Irrefragable:thanks for the adress you send ;i answered u but your email wasn’t valid.anyway thanks.)
Allah Hafiz.
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Originally posted by MAEVAH:
Salaam,
Our prophet(PBUH)sayed that there is one sure way to be good muslim is to follow what Quoran say and hadiths.He(PBUH) also sayed people who will start to follow others ways will be far away from Islam.
When i went in pakistan two years ago now(it was first time),i saw so many people(poor&rich,educated&non-educated) who went to see phirs and pray them.I couldn't believe it!i think it's chirk doing that!
Is someone here who believe in phir and can explain me why?
I really can't understand!some ppl have read Quoran but still do opposite things!And why in Pak. nobody accuse the phirs;like maulvis can say people that is chirk.
Ok bye.
(for Irrefragable:thanks for the adress you send ;i answered u but your email wasn't valid.anyway thanks.)
Allah Hafiz.
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Salaam MAEVAH :)
Thanks you for your post and you are also welcome. My email address is [email protected]. Having said that you have some very valid questions/points in your message. I will say that in Noble Quran Allah (SWT) clearly and precisley defines the Muslim and I quote:
Noble Quran 2:2!This is the Book (the Qur'ân), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqûn [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allâh much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allâh much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].
Noble Quran 2:3! Who believe in the Ghaib ] and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), ] and spend out of what we have provided for them *, spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allâh's Cause - Jihâd, etc.].
Noble Quran 2:4! And who believe in (the Qur'ân and the Sunnah) ] which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) and in [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.] which were sent down before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter. (Resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell, etc.).
Noble Quran 2:5! They are on (true) guidance from their Lord, and they are the successful.
The above is what a Muslim should be and/or is all about.
The following Ahadeeth also defines the FAITH or IMAAN.
Islam is based on five things: the testimony that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is His servant and messenger, the observance of the prayer, the payment of Zakat, the pilgrimage, and the fast during Ramadan.
(Bukhari, Muslim).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
The Muslim is he from whose tongue and hand the Muslims are safe, and the Emigrant is he who abandons what God has prohibited.
(Bukhari).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
None of you believes till I am dearer to him than his father, his child and all mankind.
(Bukhari, Muslim).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad)
He who is not trustworthy has no Faith, and he who does not keep his Covenant has no religion.
(Baihaqi).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs (the peace of) your heart, give it up.
(Ahmad).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
Since in Islaam we don't have any clergy and evangalism, which gives a believer direct link to Allah. Those who are invloved in such activities which are in contrast of Noble Quran and Sunnah, they are engage in a form of Kufr. On another board I have posted forms of Kufr. If you like I can post them again. Please let me know. I hope that it answers your question.
Wasalaam
[This message has been edited by Irrefragable (edited March 28, 2000).]*
The following information was excerpted from the appendices to the English translation of TAFSIR IBN KATHIR ON TYPES OF KUFR!
The Qur'an uses the word Kufr to denote people who cover up or hide realities. The Qu'ran uses this word to identify those who denied Allah's favors by not accepting His Dominion and Authority. Kufr thus is an antonym for Iman or disbelief in Allah and a Kafir is a non-believer. This type of Kufr is called AL-KUFR UL AKBAR or major kufr. There are many types of Al-Kufr ul Akbar:
- Kufrul-'Inaad:
Disbelief out of stubborness. This applies to someone who knows the truth and admits to knowing the truth and admits to knowing it with his tongue, but refuses to accept it and refrains from making a declaration. Allah(swt) says: Throw into Hell every stubborn disbeliever [Surah Qaaf (50), Ayah 24]
- Kufrul-Inkaar:
Disbelief out of denial. This applies to someone who denies with both heart and tongue.
Allah(swt) says: They recognize the favors of Allah, yet they deny them. Most of them are disbelievers. [Surah Nahl(16), Ayah 83]
- Kufrul-Kibr:
Disbelief out of arrogance and pride. The disbelief by the devils (Iblis) is an example of this type of Kufr.
- Kufrul-Juhood:
Disbelief out of rejection.This applies to someone who aknowledges the truth in his heart, but rejects it with his tongue. This types of kufr is applicable to those who calls themselves Muslims but who reject any necessary and accepted norms of Islam such as Salaat and Zakat.
Allah (swt) says: They denied them (OUR SIGNS) even though their hearts believed in them , out of spite and arrogance. [Surah Naml(27), Ayah 14]
- Kufrul-Nifaaq:
Disbelief out of hypocrisy.This applies to someone who pretends to be a believer but conceals his disbelief. Such a person is called a MUNAFIQ or hypocrite.
Allah( swt) says: Verily the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of Hell. You will find no one to help them. [Surah An Nisaa (4), Ayah 145]
- Kufrul-Istihaal:
Disbelief out of trying to make HARAM into HALAL. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (Haram) like alcohol or adultery.Only Allah(swt) has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.
- Kufrul-Kurh:
Disbelief out of detesting any of Allah's(swt) commands. Allah(swt) says: Perdition (destruction) has been consigned to those who disbelieve and He will render their actions void. This is because they are averse to that which Allah has revealed so He has made their actions fruitless. [Surah Muhammed (47), Ayah 8-9]
- Kufrul-Istihzaha:
Disbelief due to mockery and derision.
Allah (swt) says: Say: Was it at Allah, His signs and His apostles that you were mocking? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after you have believed. [Surah Taubah (9), ayah 65-66]
- Kufrul-I'raadh:
Disbelief due to avoidance. This applies to those who turn away and avoid the truth.
Allah(swt) says: And who is more unjust than he who is reminded of his Lord's signs but then turns away from them. Then he forgets what he has sent forward (for the Day of Judgement) [Surah Kahf(18), Ayah 57]
- Kufrul-Istibdaal:
Disbelief because of trying to substitute Allah's Laws. This could take the form of: (a) Rejection of Allah's law(Shariah) without denying it (b) Denial of Allah's law and therefore rejecting it, or (c) Substituting Allah's laws with man-made laws.
Allah (swt) says: Or have they partners with Allah who have instituted for them a religion which Allah has not allowed.
[Surah Shuraa(42), Ayah 8]
Allah(swt) says: Say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely (that) is lawful and this is forbidden so as to invent a lie against Allah. Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never prosper. [Surah Nahl (16), Ayah 116]
1 ::: Irrefragable says:
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Noble Quran 2:2!This is the Book (the Qur'ân), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqûn [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allâh much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allâh much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].
Noble Quran 2:3! Who believe in the Ghaib ] and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), ] and spend out of what we have provided for them , spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allâh's Cause - Jihâd, etc.].
Noble Quran 2:4! And who **believe in (the Qur'ân and the Sunnah)* ] which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) and in [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.] which were sent down before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter. (Resurrection, recompense of their good and bad deeds, Paradise and Hell, etc.).
The above is what a Muslim should be and/or is all about.
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In the light of above verses you cannot prove Ahmadis as Kafir. There is not a single valid point in your statement. They read the same Quran - their azan, their Kaba their prayers, zakat, fast, pilgrimage, everything is the same as Holy Prphet(sa) practiced.
Your effort in comparing Dr. Rashid’s hate-literature website with Quran is fruitless.
2 ::: Irrefragable says:
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Islam is based on five things: the testimony that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is His servant and messenger, the observance of the prayer, the payment of Zakat, the pilgrimage, and the fast during Ramadan.
(Bukhari, Muslim).
(Sayings of Muhammad. by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad).
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Please note: BELIEVE IN HOLY PROPHET(sa) as LAST IN THE LINE is not part of the five basic fundamentals of ISLAM. Read again... “Muhammad(sa is His servant and messenger”, there is no such WORD as “MUHAMMAD is the LAST IN THE LINE OF PROPHETS”. Dont try to distort your faith for the sake of Ahmadis.
3 ::: Irrefragable says:
Noble Quran 2:5! They are on (true) guidance from their Lord, and they are the successful.
In the light of 73 sects of Islam, Who do you think this verse refers to? (except you)
4 ::: Irrefragable:
*THIS IS WHAT HOLY PROPHET (SA) SAYS: *
“The Muslim is he from whose tongue and hand the Muslims are safe....”(Bukhari).
*THIS IS WHAT HIS FOLLOWER (Irrefragable) SAYS: *
- ASK YOUR MAMA, SHE CAN TELL THE SIZE OF MY BRAIN AND MY -----
- Your mother and I are very concerned. Put down the crack pipe and call for help.
Irrefragable don’t be so fake - Have some “taqwa” first before inscribing such noble words.
[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited March 29, 2000).]*
Zalim you said:
*In the light of above verses you cannot prove Ahmadis as Kafir. There is not a single valid point in your statement. They read the same Quran - their azan, their Kaba their prayers, zakat, fast, pilgrimage, everything is the same as Holy Prphet(sa) practiced.
Please note: BELIEVE IN HOLY PROPHET(sa) as LAST IN THE LINE is not part of the five basic fundamentals of ISLAM. Read again... “Muhammad(sa is His servant and messenger”, there is no such WORD as “MUHAMMAD is the LAST IN THE LINE OF PROPHETS”. Dont try to distort your faith for the sake of Ahmadis.*
My response :)
First and foremost my post was addressed to MAEVAH and has nothing to do with Ahmadi issue, which by the way I wasn’t addressing. However, it appeared to me that you are an Ahmadi that is why you have an irresistible itch in your rear bottom. The only thing you have proved is that:
*** There is no substitute of common sense and there is NO rehabilitation of stupidity. ***
Here is the proof from Noble Quran 33:40!
33.40 YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
SHAKIR: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.
ALSO SEE THE LAST SERMON OF PROHET MUHAMMED (saw) IN WHICH HE CLEARLY STATED THAT NO OTHER PROPHET WILL COME AFTER ME. THAT ALSO CONSTITUES ONE WHO DOES NOT OBEY QURAN AND SUNNAH IS NOT A BELIEVER.
Since my other post does not benefits you and expose you/Ahmadis as Kuffar, you call it hateful. Well zalim good news is that you are entitled of your opinion, which is NO more than a gas bubble of an old meal. Bottom line is that there is a unanimous FATWA against Ahmadis from Ulemas/Muftis all over the world. By the way where is your proof that "I am trying to distrot my faith for the sake of Ahmadis? You must be smoking pot when you wrote this non-sense.
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The *ONLY Solution:)*****And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85*