Being Naive About Life

I realize some people may not like what I have to say, and will bring up points of contention, but I am not here to argue, just doing some freestyle writing of what I am thinking of at the moment.


For someone who grew up in America, I am often told that I am pretty naïve about life and relationships. I started college before most of my peers yet I lagged sorely behind in terms of learning about things in practical life. I live what many people refer to as a sheltered life, and when I do come across individuals I am sometimes scolded for my naiveté. I remember one of my first roommates telling me that she thought I was 16 and not in my twenties due to my behavior and outlook on life. It’s something that many people fail to consider or understand, however she was very understanding and proceeded to not make fun of me for my thoughts, or not verbally punish me due to my thinking. Had she done so, I would have never wanted to open up.

I’ve been seeing it on this board recently. Guppies post things and others are shocked about the fact that people have such thoughts in this day and age, or haven’t “grown up” yet. I find it to be asking for too much. Why do people expect others to have the same education and learning process as them? The same upbringing, the same knowledge? Growing up in America doesn’t mean I should know the ABC’s of relationships, or how men work. It doesn’t mean I cant be shocked at the fact that people drink and drive. If you go to some small towns, theres a lot that people don’t know that people in big cities do know, and vice versa. I’ve experienced it myself.

I find it absolutely silly sometimes that people expect so much from me, or rather for me to be like them. What is the need to get upset over the fact that I don’t know what you know about something? Why must I conform to your thought process? I remember when I was younger I scolded my younger brother for not knowing who the Vice-President was at that time. It shocked me that he didn’t know. Then I felt horrible guilt for making fun of him for that, and I apologized later for doing that. It made him feel stupid, and that simply wasn’t nice. It made him want to not be so open with me due to that, and I realized that and changed my behavior.

It’s a form of oppression when you scold someone for how they were raised to think and believe, and when you insist they think like you or if they don’t, that they shouldnt share their thoughts at all. Or when you make fun of their way of thinking. It’s simply arrogant. I know that because I have done it in the past to others, and perhaps I do it even now, but am trying to curb that behavior of mine.

Whenever people tell me, “Munni, you are so naïve, how can you think like that”, I just want to go back into my shell. Then people wonder why I don’t talk that much to them or go out with them. Well its because I get made fun of so often, or get told I am being ridiculous so often, whats the point. Wouldn’t you like to know how I think and why I think that way, so that perhaps you can educate me or maybe you can learn a thing or two from me? Do people not realize that I have parents much older than them who raised me and know I think like this? Are they going to call my parents naïve as well? What about my older neighbors and those around me and my other relatives? I dont find them to be so intolerable of my ways/being. Perhaps everyone is naïve except them, except you?

There are ways to ask people, and explore people. I refuse to be scared for wanting to share my thoughts. A few times on gupshup I have been told in my posts that I am so naïve, etc, and people have made fun of me. I would vow that I am not going to post again due to that, but I realize that is just as wrong. I know people on gupshup who don’t post just for that reason, out of fear of being made fun of for their “naïve” thoughts. I am what I am, and no matter how others may want to have me “all grown up and knowledgable about the world”, it is going to happen at its own pace, and some people may never grow out of it. Stop wanting to rush other peoples lives. Stop wanting to have so much control of others. (I realize the irony, and I hope you do too.) You learned things at your own pace, and everyone has a pace they move along. If you want people to have more “worldy” views in your opinion, educate them in a manner appropriate, not by poking fun or making statements like, “Oh My Gosh, I cant believe you don’t know that, like DUH.” Or, “How can you think like that, you are so archaic.” Well I suppose humanity has learned so much and is so advanced and evolved that we still have the same problems today that we had centuries ago. Right. Perhaps those people are naive who seem to think that there are many people in the world that are not like them.

Re: Being Naive About Life

^post of the week for me :smokin:

p.s. you think too much :stuck_out_tongue:

The use of the word “oppression” in that sentence, in that particular way, is so strong. i never saw it that way before that it could be a form of oppression to suppress someone from expressing their natural feelings/thoughts if they differ from your own.

:flower1: Interesting thoughts, Munni.

:)

nice :)

i think naivete is a very undervalued commodity.

most of the 'naive' people I know are termed that by others as a sort of defensive reaction to their own been-aroundness.

case in point, recent threads where everyone seems to get on the case of the originator..'tumhe ye nahi pata?', 'ye to hota hi hay', 'i cant believe you've been in america and..'..

dont take things to heart, you cant go wrong being naive about the shocking things people do. one things for sure, you'll manage to avoid doing those shocking things.

to be completely honest with you Munni I think its really sweet

in some ways ignorence is bliss, you dont know abt the awful things that can happen to ppl, or how cruel someone can be, i dont know, is it better to experience these things at a younger age??

i know i have, at one point it made me so weary of everyone, but i realise that no matter what you should be good with everyone, and trust only those who you know will keep your well-being at heart at acomplete 100%

those who mock you for it, ignore them, they are still bitter from their own experiences :) - you are lucky in your own way mashAllah

I never thought u were naive munni :-) ... u kno i used to b like that... naive, careless about wuts going around me n all... in pakistan.. girls r forced to grow up at a very tender age.. but for me.. i had a pretty sheltered life myself... i never knew the harsh realities until i was buried in them... khayr.. all i wanted to say yes u r right... we should b considerate... i can imagine.. cos i was in the shoes ... :-) ... u go girl .. i always enjoyed ur posts...

yeh i hear u Muni .. same here, im like that and ppl keep telling me that how stupid i am :o...

if u dont wanna disscuss some issues or dont have enuff knowladge and were born and raised in west it dosent mean that ur stupid.

munnio,

naivity by itself isnt a big deal. but clubbed with a sense of moral superiority and judgemental attitude, naivity is probably the easiest way to not have any friends.

^ Q, hit it on the head.

Someone who hasn't experienced much life cannot, logically, offer advice on matters where they have no situational, educational or professional experience. I see that a lot on this BB.

In your case Munmun, you have two choices. To either accept that you are naive and brush it off when told or do something about it. experience, learn and practice.

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munnio,

naivity by itself isnt a big deal. but clubbed with a sense of moral superiority and judgemental attitude, naivity is probably the easiest way to not have any friends.
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It works both ways queerio. The point of my post is, dont make people feel stupid for being naive. Its another thing if the person is having an attitude along with their being naive, these are two separate things altogether. I dont believe I have a moralisticaly superior attitude eventhough I am constantly told I am naive about things. How many people have I seen who claim to "know more" with that superior attitude. And the sad part is, some of those people dont even recognize how they are being. They want to tell "naive" people what they should change about themselves, but refuse to open their ears to how they themselves need to adjust.

Like you said, naivity itself isnt a big deal, yet people make it out to be that people are stupid for thinking the way they do, and make it a point to let them know just how stupid they think they are with their belittling comments. That is quite insulting in my view, not to mention extremely arrogant. I see it on this board enough, and experience it in life enough to know that it goes on.

Matsui, experiencing things doesnt make one an authority on things. Look how many people experience things and dont learn a thing from it. Case in point, I've never had a boyfriend yet plenty of friends come to me for relationship advice.

People often expect others to be clones of themselves. Now if thats not being egotistical I dont know what is. And if you do expect me to have some of the knowledge you have, then tell me in a polite manner and dont tell me, "Like DUH, you should have known that" or "what are you stupid, how can you think like that, are you BLIND". It just shuts people out and makes not want to share.

How many women have I seen in bad relationships that WONT speak out about it because they feel people just shut them down or wont understand. How many women have spoken out about crimes against them and been told, "Oh, you deserved it because you were naive, so just be quiet and live with it now." And then people wonder why women dont speak out as much. People wonder why these women werent educated on certain things. The fact is, people often ignore people whom they consider naive. They dont listen to them well. They put them in a box of "stupid/naive" and leave it at that. They like to hear their own voices, or people who think like them. Talk about suppressing others, and oppressing them.

Some people are easily silenced but that doesnt mean others have a right to mistreat them due to that.

I am not hailing naivete. I am saying there are ways to deal with it, and a person who is talking to someone who is naive, should check themselves in their tone and manner of speaking with them, and vice versa. And to be honest, I wouldnt change who I am for anything in the world. I know I have a lot to learn and I will do it at my own pace. You dont need to rush me or anyone else. I dont mind that people think I am naive, as long as they dont talk down to me because they think I am.

thanks Munni for sharing that with us. It kind of helped put a mirror to my face :) I am sometimes like the people you mentioned and then other times I am in the 'shocked' category. I had a fairly sheltered upbringing too and growing up in the US if you are not doing what other people are doing in your age group, you are considered weird. So yeah I got those looks too but now I'm too old to let those things phase me.