Interesting note in the article
“Qasim was working for Microsoft when he was diagnosed with HIV in his mid-20s. Under the law at the time, naturalised US citizens had to give up their citizenship if they were HIV positive.”
I don’t recall hearing of a law like this. I am aware of a law , which is now gone, that greencard holders could be denied twenty to the country if they were HIV positive, or green card holders who were HIV positive would not be allowed to become naturalized citizens.
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Gays will be gays. Homesexuals will always exist. It becomes a problem when a society starts to accept them and normalize their disgusting behavior, as opposed to identifying them as abnormal and abominable. Lets not forget Qoom Loot.
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qom lut etc is mythology. we live in the real world. context please.
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qom lut etc is mythology. we live in the real world. context please.
Queer your viewpoint on this doesn't count. Also, I dont' want to argue with a man who says quran is myth. Lets take Qoom lut out of the question and let me give you the "context" you asked for.
No reason to be offended. Just asking you to describe what you are defending.
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Holding hands is bromance not gay love!
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Queer your viewpoint on this doesn't count. Also, I dont' want to argue with a man who says quran is myth. Lets take Qoom lut out of the question and let me give you the "context" you asked for.
No reason to be offended. Just asking you to describe what you are defending.
oh ok. so you can't stand it when i dont believe in your religious ideas, but you want to impose yours on others? if you think being gay is evil, the most you can do is not be gay yourself. that is the extend to which one person's blind belief can be permitted in a civilized society where multiple conflicting blind faiths have to coexist.
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*“They say they are never threatened or insulted, but they minimise the risk by living apart from the rest of society. Living under the radar is how they cope.”
*Well yea…they’re hiding the truth, living under the radar, and living apart from mainstream society. Their gay friends marry unsuspecting women and pretend to be straight. That’s why they’re not harrased or insulted. That can be done easily in the U.S or any other country. too.
Not sure when and what city he was living in…but in the U.S., in plenty of major cities gays/lesbians live openly with their partners and don’t get harrased/insulted etc. Its ridiculous for them to say that being gay in Pakistan is easier when they’re not part of mainstream society and can’t live openly with their partners and has to pretend to be just “buddies” or “roommates”. 
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oh ok. so you can't stand it when i dont believe in your religious ideas, but you want to impose yours on others? if you think being gay is evil, the most you can do is not be gay yourself. that is the extend to which one person's blind belief can be permitted in a civilized society where multiple conflicting blind faiths have to coexist.
Queer I hate to give you a history 101 lesson but you are kind of making me. The post is about Pakistan. A country created and formed with a certain ideology. The official name is "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" Not republic of do whatever you want. There is no mistaking what the overwhelming ideology of the country is when it exists in its name. And if a man really believes something to be evil, the least he can do is not to do the evil himself and hate it in heart. The most he can do is stop it with his hands. Especially when the society in context has a pre-determined set of ideologies and its stance on certain issues is quite clear. As for as imposing religious ideas on others, let me enlighten you on the fact the western civilizations-whether secular or religious- have for a while derived their laws from the bible. The founding fathers of the U.S. although secular, took the laws of the bible as the guiding elements. So by obeying these laws, you are in effect agreeing to have these fundamentally bible inspired laws imposed upon you. Also, you sound agnostic or atheist,and if that is in fact the case, words such as "evil" and "good" can hardly be a part of your vocabulary since they cannot be defined from purely an atheistic point of view. So you can do whatever you want in India, but we are talking about Pakistan here, and I don't think we will be legalizing you and your muscle man marrying each other anytime soon.
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oh ok, so could you name a couple of these bible-based laws in the US and the corresponding bible verse, pal? if you can do this, i’ll never say another word about gay people on the forums. if not, lets agree that your post was mostly BS. 
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ok. ready? First read "[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization" by Thomas E. Woods. Ever hear of the ten commandments? Here are a few that are relevant to this conversation. These sound familiar in the American Judicial system?
*=left]You shall not murder.
*=left]You shall not commit adultery../
*=left]You shall not steal.
*=left][FONT=Verdana, Arial]You shall not give false testimony (punishable under American judicial system)
*=left]You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor." (again property laws etc in U.S.A)
*=left][FONT=Verdana, Arial]Now lets come to commandment 2 namely thou shall not commit "adultery" a very religious concept based on the notion of sin and marriage. Really should not have any place in a secular society, and yet "adultery" is a legal clause for separation and divorce and also for the guilty party losing half of their worth. Can you explain why that is? Looks like you are going to have to keep quiet from now on as you promised. I can go on and on and there are countless examples of laws that are based on the christian bible. Not allowed to sell alcohol on Sunday etc. I think this and the above book should suffice. So please keep your promise. Oh and the Bill of rights is based on English (British) common law which is based on the biblical concept of man being created in the image of God and therefore subject to certain "unalienable" rights. Sound familiar? Oh yes the words of the declaration of Independence. Ever get a chance to look at the back of the dollar bill? "In god we trust" I mean did you fall asleep in high school history class? lol.
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this is unbelievable....so sad
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lol.. and these are such novel ideas seen for the first time in the bible, right? everyone from eskimos to maoris have similar ideas of morality. sorry pal, nothing unique about these basic ideas that say these are from the bible. now if there was stuff like, bake your bread covered by your dung etc as it says uniquely in the bible, ezekiel 4:3:3 i think.. that would be proof.
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Holding hands is bromance not gay love!
But when it's two white guys in the West it's classed as disgusting and gay.
Let's ban all blokes from holding hands and sitting on each others laps (eeewwwwwww). It's just not natural.
As for the Greencard/immigration point in the article. That sounds quite harsh. Hope it's something the journalist came up with to spice up the story rather than true.
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Queerio you probably don’t understand the reason behind the gay/lesbian movement. It is created by the satanic powers that exist in the western countries to destroy the family unit. By destroying the family unit with this ideology they can take control of the child which is raised by the state instead of the parents and therefore is easily coerced. This creates a society of drones and man is then made a slave without any chance of revolution.
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But when it's two white guys in the West it's classed as disgusting and gay.
Let's ban all blokes from holding hands and sitting on each others laps (eeewwwwwww). It's just not natural.
As for the Greencard/immigration point in the article. That sounds quite harsh. Hope it's something the journalist came up with to spice up the story rather than true.
But when it's two white guys in the West it's classed as disgusting and gay.
Let's ban all blokes from holding hands and sitting on each others laps (eeewwwwwww). It's just not natural.
As for the Greencard/immigration point in the article. That sounds quite harsh. Hope it's something the journalist came up with to spice up the story rather than true.
Yeah its devised that way to make us detest the gays and so they rebell and ask for more and more rights until they are part of the very social fabric which parents have protected for eons. The more we hate gays the more they rebell and get rights. Its a very clever ploy devised by the jews to destroy our family structure. Why aren't guys afraid of hold hands and sit together in Pakistan? Because our media does not feed us negativity about gays so we don't despise men holding hands and hugging in public. Do you see the difference now? Do you see the programming done to us on a daily basis. Now do you know why the gay/lesbian libreation movement took place? Think about it.
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No doubt that the traditional family structure is under attack. It is easier to control, manipulate, and enslave individuals rather than groups of people with similar goals (families). So to control you, the family has to be broken down. This is done by promoting individualism, materialism, and of course homosexuality. Hollywood is full of gay zionists and they trickle their sick ideas down the media to us and our kids. Imagine, If i wanted to control Mr. A, would I rather he be alone or that he live with his 3 brothers, 2 sisters, and has a couple of cousins he is pretty close with as well. I'd rather he move out at 18This is the system they are going for.
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The idea of morality is something that an atheist should not have. I mean who tells an atheist what morality is? There is no concept of morality or right or wrong for an atheist! It is religion that tells you to do good, if you do bad it will harm you and tells of an afterlife.
Nevertheless, it is actually quite funny gay people want to legalise gay marriages and people who commit incest want to legalise incest.
So, if I had no moral values, because they were taught by religion (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), then I would give a damn about committing adultery, having sex with my son/daughter or other people having sex with my 5 year old shouldnt bother me. I would give a damn what people say about me entering a homosexual relationship. Hell why not have sex with my mother or brother? I mean its my life and my choice, right?
But then the question rises, if it is the right thing to do and there is nothing wrong with it. Then why is the AIDs rate the highest among homosexuals? And why marry? I mean, marriage is a concept that originates from religion! But if I do not believe in God or religions, then why the hell marry?? I can stay with my gay partner and live my life the way I want to...
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marriage is a social contract, not a religious one. its simple, pal. you can do things without yoking yourself onto mythology.
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It became later on a social contract due to the marriage concept which originates from religion. Hence, why marriages take places in churches and mosques (nikah)...
anyway, it is useless argueing with you. Say and believe whatever makes you feel "content" with the kind of thoughts and life you have.. be happy with that superficial happiness..