Thanks for listening. Would have liked more dialogue though.
wow Munni, I never knew royalties still existed. It must really narrow down your choice of husband, especially since your father wants you to marry within the family. Have you met any guys within your family, who you might be interested in? Are you completely adverse to the idea? You cant go against your parents wishes, but at the same time you have to live a happy life. What do you want?
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wow Munni, I never knew royalties still existed. It must really narrow down your choice of husband, especially since your father wants you to marry within the family. Have you met any guys within your family, who you might be interested in? Are you completely adverse to the idea? You cant go against your parents wishes, but at the same time you have to live a happy life. What do you want?
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Well, the grandeur and kingdom no longer exists, but many traditions and the family name still does. It's perhaps difficult for many people to understand if one isnt from the family, but its something that even other "mughals" I meet have spoken to me about, or people from other "old" royal families. For most people, it means nothing and is possibly very silly, but for us its "supposed" to mean a lot.
Is it true that Mughals living in the USA get a tax break from IRS?. I have also heard you guys get special stipends once you hit puberty.
My own feelings are that Mughals started the downfall of Muslims. They spent their lives in aisho-ishret living lavishly surrounded by concubines and idiot wazeers. If they had their act together, East India Company would have never been allowed to step foot in the subcontinent. The last Mughal Bahadur Shah Zafar was too busy playing chess and doing shair-o-shaairi while the Brit Imperialiasts were knocking at the door.
Also they built worthless monuments such as Taj Mahal in memory of their lovers. Wouldn't it be more beneficial had they spent some time building universities and libraries?. We are still paying the price of their mediocre vision.
I for one would not be proud of such heritage. Ask your male relatives what they think of this.
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Is it true that Mughals living in the USA get a tax break from IRS?. I have also heard you guys get special stipends once you hit puberty.
My own feelings are that Mughals started the downfall of Muslims. They spent their lives in aisho-ishret living lavishly surrounded by concubines and idiot wazeers. If they had their act together, East India Company would have never been allowed to step foot in the subcontinent. The last Mughal Bahadur Shah Zafar was too busy playing chess and doing shair-o-shaairi while the Brit Imperialiasts were knocking at the door.
Also they built worthless monuments such as Taj Mahal in memory of their lovers. Wouldn't it be more beneficial had they spent some time building universities and libraries?. We are still paying the price of their mediocre vision.
I for one would not be proud of such heritage. Ask your male relatives what they think of this.
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My question relates more to following traditions, than being proud of some of the bad things done by extended relatives. I dont want this thread to turn into mughal bashing. It wasnt the purpose of my posting. I myself am not proud of some of the things done in the past and I am not responsible for what they did. However I am very proud of some of the things they accomplished. Many things infact. Things that may not be known by others.
This is me, here and now. I dont believe anyone can say they have a perfect background where relatives didnt do cruel things. Cruel things are done in daily life and affect scores of other people. It doesnt only take a royal family to ruin others lives.
I'd really like the topic to remain on traditions and the difficulty of following them. Thanks for your input, but please let me know what you think about traditions and following them based on whatever background you have. Thanks.
Munni I am simply in awe with you right now, :love: royalty.
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Well, the grandeur and kingdom no longer exists, but many traditions and the family name still does. It's perhaps difficult for many people to understand if one isnt from the family, but its something that even other "mughals" I meet have spoken to me about, or people from other "old" royal families. For most people, it means nothing and is possibly very silly, but for us its "supposed" to mean a lot. My mother was "dubbed" a royal title upon marriage to my father, which she can attach to her name. There was a whole ceremony and everything. Funky huh, how people stick to traditions, even after the fact.
No, it doesnt narrow down my choice in a husband. I have literally hundreds to choose from, as I have family in Lahore, Karachi, and Islamabad, relatives, but distant relatives. Its something my father "prefers", not something required. No, I havent anyone I'm interested in, maybe if I went to Pakistan I'd meet some I'd like, but I have no plans to go there anytime soon. I want to focus on my career right now, and think of marriage later. Maybe next year Insha'Allah. grin
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Well if its important for you to continue the lineage, then marry within the family. It often helps to marry someone of a similar background, and you may find someone you like and your parents like him too. But are you sure you could marry a guy from Pakistan?
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Well if its important for you to continue the lineage, then marry within the family. It often helps to marry someone of a similar background, and you may find someone you like and your parents like him too. But are you sure you could marry a guy from Pakistan?
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Thanks.
…You told me something different!
I've often wondered why families like this linger on their past, when it has no hope of being resurrected, and is of no relevance whatsoever.
As little as 55 years ago, my dad's side of the family were aristocrats and very minor royalty in a sovereign, independent state still ruled by its royal family.
Now, however, it is a chapter of the family's history that is closed, never discussed, and never considered to be of any relevance. The family maintains itself as being just ordinary citizens of Pakistan (and of India, for those who failed to migrate), and I've never met anyone with pretensions of being otherwise.
hamaray bhee poadeenay kay baagh thay.. laikin Abba G nay kaha putter aap kamao tay khao.. there are no handouts in life.. remember the past but live in the present..
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I've often wondered why families like this linger on their past, when it has no hope of being resurrected, and is of no relevance whatsoever.
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Dunno, I wonder the same thing sometimes. I asked my dad once that whats the point, but I got a daant for that, so I am not doing that again.
Its about traditions and following them. Like Syed's only marrying Syed's, or people following old family customs though they have little relevance today, etc.
History and past traditions teach us lessons and sets our standards. Is that bad? I don't think so...but neither is it good. It depends on what we make of it...
Funguy: Condemning a whole network of families on the basis of the actions of some distant relatives is kind of silly, I don't think Munni represents Bahadur Shah Zafar (who I should remind you was handed his sons heads on a plate as punishment for supporting the 1857 insurgency against the British) , and speaking ill of those who are no longer in this World is also no great accomplishment.
hi there cousin… 
our ancestors (i dont know some 4 5 generations back) had a family feud and then one of them killed an important guy from the other side…
he feared revenge and fled leaving back all his “jageer”…
the origin was somewhere in kashmir, now we r in rawalpindi…
the other family eventually took over everything…
now they have traced my grandfather, and even came to hmi and told him to come back so that they cud give back all his ‘wiraasat’ to him…
but he too fears that they want him back there to quench ther thirst of revenge…
so he too avoids going there…
anyway, royalty without a palace and a crown means nothing
no offence,
but are all moghals(so called) from subcontinent are royalties? if they are then they in millions! and that cant be true. it can be if we also include Akbars more than 150 wives.
I heard and seen on TV only one left in india she is directly related to bahdur shah zafar?
I am just confused, please dont take any offence. cause the people claimed moghals i have met, are mostly admit they are not directly linked to royals but just adopted.
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I'd really like the topic to remain on traditions and the difficulty of following them. Thanks for your input, but please let me know what you think about traditions and following them based on whatever background you have. Thanks.
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I know some traditions of a particular family or region or some specific background are difficult to follow... as they don't mean anything in this modern worlld!!
I would definitely break such rules n live a life purely according to Islamic Values n follow only those traditions which are accordingly..
n wow u belong to a royal family.. :)
I know several mughals but they did not marry within mughals. It did not appear that they had such an expectation from their families.
btw if anyone is related to idrees rasheed mughal in Karachi, slap him once, tell him he still owes me 20 rupees from 1986, and give me his address.
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hamaray bhee poadeenay kay baagh thay.. laikin Abba G nay kaha putter aap kamao tay khao.. there are no handouts in life.. remember the past but live in the present..
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Baba G, Can I please go work in your abba ji's podina bagh? Please put in a good word for me.
Shak, it is true that a lot of people say they are mughal and infact are not, like with Khans, Syeds, etc. I was infact hoping that those that call themselves Syeds would relate to me in this thread and talk of their experience, because I hear some families talk of traditions of only marrying Syeds, etc.
shap, indeed. It's interesting though that the same point was told to me as well by my parents. That its what you do in this world that will make a difference, yet these traditions are still held. It's all a bit strange.
Fraudia, that was hilarious, tsk tsk, slapping ppl. grin
she told me something different too…