Being friends with your Ex

Salam,

I am new on this forum. I have a dilemma that I would like to get advice on. About two years ago, I was engaged and very much in love with my fiancé. For various issues, his family didn’t approve and called the engagement off. A few months back, they got him married to someone of their choice, but he is not happy and still keeps in contact with me on a daily basis. The breakup was really tough for both of us, as our engagement had lasted about 1.5 years (albeit much of that time was spent trying to sort out issues his family had); we both thought ultimately we would end up together and when both families will see us happy, they’ll accept us too. Now that he is married, I wanted to end things on a good note and advised him to “love the one he is with” and let me go. But he says that he can’t live without me. He messages me day and night (our families aren’t aware of this), and proposed the option of second marriage. I said no to that because I don’t want to go down that road. I don’t want to break another girl’s house to make space for myself. But no matter how much I push him away, it doesn’t work on him (he is one of those ziddi types that if you tell him not to do something, he wants to do it that much more).

He says that for awhile he tried making an effort to accept his wife, but when you’re not emotionally connected to someone, it’s really tough being intimate with that person. He insists on being friends and says he just wants to know I’m okay etc. He promises that when I get engaged or married, he will disappear from my life and not bother me anymore (I don’t trust him on this because there are times where he says what’s wrong with being good friends before or after marriage). He says when you have so much history together, you can’t just switch it off in one day. He agrees with me that maybe with time, someday he’ll be happy with his wife, especially once he has kids…but according to him, for the time being he is miserable. He didn’t go anywhere on honeymoon and didn’t do a mehndi function because he didn’t feel like it.
I feel like if I keep talking to him, he wouldn’t be able to fully commit to her. Also, if he keeps messaging me, he is forcing me to constantly keep him at the back of my mind and not fully move on to consider someone else (which my family has been unsuccessfully trying to do for some time now). Even though I want to fully cut him out of my life, I find that when I try to do that, even I can’t live happily. I am not really sure what is the solution for all this. I used to be a happy person. Now I feel my heart is full of sadness. I have all this anger toward his family which I sometimes take out on him, and ruin his day as well. (By the way we don’t meet anymore…just keep in touch over the phone)

Another thing is that when we were together and his family started saying rubbish about me and my family based on their own fears and assumptions. He tried his hardest to convince them not to end the relationship. At that time, I was bitter hearing all this negativity and false accusations directed at my family, so in an effort to defend ourselves I said some harsh things about his mom (who is an extremely bossy/controlling/mean person). He really took that to his heart (at the time) and said that maybe his parents are right about my personality. So now that he is married, he is having some problems with his wife who goes to live at her parents for weeks sometimes … this is one of the things his family used to say about me that I will do this after marriage because I’m so attached to my family … so now, he apologizes to me that he was wrong about me to assume that. He also complains about his in-laws who are very proud of their “high class” background and they interfere every time someone says something to their daughter in his house (this too is a point his parents used to think would apply to me, but it’s not true. My parents are not the interfering type, nor is my family as rich/influential).

So whenever something big happens for him, he shares with me. And if I tell him to go to his wife instead, he tells me that if I do get married to someone else, only then will I realize how tough it is to put up with their crap when you don’t love them. So one day I got fed up and said ok fine, if you really can’t live without me, then you’ll have to leave your wife because I can’t be a second wife. I didn’t mean that, I just wanted to see his reaction. He basically got mad and said he will never leave her and that it’s complicated (her family will kill him or his parents will never forgive him etc.). It reminds me of the time when his parents were fixing his rishta last year and he was still being all lovey-dovey with me, so I got frustrated and said ok if you want to marry me against your parents’ wishes then come talk to my parents, present your case and ask for their help, and we can do a court marriage…but he got mad at that time too, saying his mom is a heart patient and if something happens to her, it will be on him and in turn on me etc. and that he can’t start over without his family’s inheritance/blessings.

Other things he says that scare me, he tells me he will befriend my future husband and come to my house/susraal just to be near me. Or sometimes when he misses me, he sends me hug/kiss smileys on the phone that make me uncomfortable, knowing he belongs to someone else now. When I point out that it is wrong, he cleverly dismisses it saying it’s just a smiley, not like we are doing / ever did anything wrong.

Anyway, so I don’t really know how to push him away at this point. He seems to be more and more into me with every passing day (now more so than ever before). Like for instance, we used to fight before and he would say hurtful things sometimes (as would I). But after an hour or so, we will be fine again.
But now even when I blame him for not taking action in time, he still says prayers for me and my heart melts that we could’ve been a happy couple. With that said, he is very proud of his wife’s education/family background/social activities, etc. So for all I know, he could be having a perfectly normal life with her and just misleading me so I can’t go anywhere. What should I do?

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Move on... If he had really loved you, he would marry you or at least do not emotionally blackmail you after leaving you.

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The only time someone can be friends with their exes is when there are no romantic feelings and no bitter feelings. In your case, there are both.

My suggestion to you is, as hard as it may be, to cut contact with him completely. He may regret not marrying you, and is hurt about it, but his toxicity is spreading to you, and preventing you from moving on as well.

Move on. There is no point in pursuing this.
His statement that he would befriend your future husband shows his thinking.
He is in his own house playing happy family.
You owe me a medal for reading your entire post. :D

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Been there, done that. Trust me, you do not need that kinda emotional distress in your life. Cut him off completely. Change your number if you have to. Tell him you're not going to continue with this and then stop responding to him. There's no point in thinking about what could've, should've would've happened. He's married now and whatever marriage issues he may or may not have, are his to resolve. You need to move forward in your life now.

I've tried making exes being friends thing work, but it didn't, it hardly ever does. And I refused to let that kinda distress and negativity take over my life. So it's best to leave the past behind.

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W/Salam and welcome to GupShup.

You've expressed everything in a clear and concise manner. This suggests that you have already put a great deal of thought into the whole thing.

Frankly you have already answered your own questions in your post. Read what you have written a couple of times and you will likely arrive at the same conclusion that partyslims has expressed in his post.

Good luck.

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This guy is married to the woman his parents chose for him and he is actually happy - believe it or not. And even if he wasn't...does it matter?

He's specifically told you he won't leave her. He even said he will befriend your husband in the future...what a stand up guy he is. Why would he do that? Does he not have any friends? No, its because he wants to ruin things for you...make sure you're not happy without him.

There are so many consequences of you keeping in touch with him...just cut him off. Out of the blue...no response, no answers, nothing.

You have a shot at happiness with someone in the future...don't throw it away because of him.

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if he had loved you he would have stood up for the relationship you guys shared. if he didn't, then believe me he doesn't love you .. or even if i say the he loves then believe me there is no point loving someone who couldn't stand against his parents how would he stand against his wife to accept you ? ultimately, you are going to ruin your life and the life of the person you are going to marry with.

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You know what I'd do if I was you?

Just because I dislike men who pull this when they're married...I'd stop responding to him cold turkey with NO explanations, NO good byes, nothing. Let him wonder, think and beat his head against the wall trying to figure out what happened and where you disappeared to.

This is cheating. Not physically. But emotionally, yes. Its considered cheating when you try to hold on another woman in a romantic manner after you're married. He is cheating. No ifs ands or buts about it.

And if you continue to keep in touch with him...you will be no less responsible. Would you want someone to do this to you? Then don't do it to her.

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Nosheen - The guy sounds a liar and a cheat and bad news. I completely agree with what Reha said. He's just trying to string you along. What does he want anyway? He won't even agree to coming to see your parents? I mean does he expect you to live as his mistress on the side? You can't get over him until you let go of him and end all contact. I don't think you guy can or should be friends. The guy is toxic. Leave him and get on with your life, inshallah Allah has a much better plan and partner for you in the future. If you cling on to the past, you can't move on. It will be hard but worth it! Good luck!

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He is taking you and his wife for a ride. Don't guys have other things to do with their lives ?

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He wants to have his cake and eat it too. I doubt his wife would appreciate it if she knew that he's talking to you. He doesn't care about her feelings and nor does he care about yours, otherwise he'd meet your demands. He's only interested in himself. As for his whining that he doesn't feel a connection with his wife.....lol.....a connection is more likely to develop with the wife if he were to use the time he's spending on you in interacting with his wife instead.

Rather than wait for him to do the right thing, why don't YOU stop talking to him? Just block him. You can't put all the blame on him for talking to you. He continues talking to you because you continue to respond. So that makes you part of the problem.

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Agree with redvelvet! As long as he gets a response he will continue to contact you, do your self a favor and stop talking to him cold turkey. Nothing good will come out of you keeping in touch, you deserve better.

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I think this guy is looking out only for himself and giving you the false illusion that he has your best interest at heart. Being friends with him can get you in a lot of trouble later on in life. I don't know many desi guys who will allow their wife to receive virtual kisses and hugs from other guys. If he loves you, he should let you go and find your happiness. He is just playing with your emotions. If he is miserable, it's not your business anymore. It's his wife's headache! Or his family's, who arranged his marriage.
Stay away! He is bad news.

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Nosheen, Heed the advice of others. Reha and Polished Gems could not have said it any better.

Cut it off completely with him, cold turkey. Please do not feel you owe him an explanation, or a last meeting, ANYTHING. I have seen a very close friend do this for 10 years of her life. She figured it out after 10 years. Your ex does not have any intention of ruining his life, the only life he wants to play around with and ruin is yours. BTW, he is cheating on his wife, by sending you smilies and what not. Do you really want to be the other woman?

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agree to all the above comments. no matter how hard it is, please stop responding to him and move on! he is settled in his life and has no intentions of changing things on his end. he is concerned with making sure you don't move on.

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Thank you all for your advice. And sorry for the long post. I can’t really discuss with anyone at home so I thought I would share with you all.

I have tried to cut him off in the past but (clearly) haven’t been too successful at it. Changing my number won’t solve the problem. He is somewhat of a lunatic at times. He will just show up at my workplace and demand answers. He has done that in the past, and I really don’t want any drama at work.

Some of you are saying that he doesn’t love me. Well, we both were inseparable not too long ago. My parents were getting other proposals so I put pressure on him to do something and in turn he convinced his family to do an engagement when they didn’t really want to (a mutual relative told us after the break-up that his mom always wanted someone from the upper class who has lots of money and contacts…my family didn’t quite fit the criteria). And with that started all problems. I have never seen him cry except the day that his parents called to break off the engagement. He was in his room asleep at the time and found out about it later when I texted him. I know that from his end he tried his best, even left the house for a brief period to make a point but nothing worked … most of the issues his parents had were things that came up in their “background search” which was limited to discussing the proposal with their relative who lived in my aunt’s neighbourhood (and at one point had wanted my proposal for their own son but we didn’t go for it). So a lot of what was said was said out of jealousy and it worked. Only it wasn’t true and brought a lot of grief for me, him, and my family.
The only thing I blame him for is not talking to my family when his family turned their backs on him. He has always wanted to just talk to me and never tried being close with my family. They could have help him clarify some of his family’s doubts.
But in the end, I know that unless he left his parents’ house, this would not have worked…so I don’t hold it against him. Going through with it would have made our lives very complicated. Plus, he is a mamma’s boy so if his mom had boycotted him, he would’ve always blamed me for his loss.
Anyway, sometimes things don’t work out. It doesn’t mean that there was no love or feelings involved.

I agree that what he is doing now is wrong. There were a brief few months between our final goodbye and about a month after his marriage when we did not communicate. I think what happened is that he was looking forward to starting over with the girl of their choice, but probably she is not too compatible with him (based on what he tells me) and that’s brought him back into my life. And initially I was curious about his wife and what his parents choose for him, so I was replying to him and trying to find out about her. But now he is once again starting to act all lovey dovey and that bothers me. Maybe I would’ve (in a self-destructive mode) considered his proposal of 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] wife if I knew that he didn’t accept her as a wife, but he did … so, after that, no question of ever being together!

So besides changing my number, what else can I do that will get him off my case? Even though I too am an emotional wreck at times, I know my boundaries and I refrain from messaging him. But his moral compass is not very high. And sometimes he does insist on meeting up for dinner or calling me late at night. I do still love him, but I want to distance myself from him because it kills me to think of him with someone else…and as someone above said, I wouldn’t want some girl to be doing this to my husband.

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Nosheen this is a very damaging "relationship" that the two of you have. Place yourself in the shoes of his wife, I'm sure it would cut you deep to know this is going on. I know this is not entirely your fault but there are definitely things you can do to rectify this.

You need to face to the fact that he picked his family and this girl over you. You said so yourself "he was looking forward to starting over with the girl...". The simple truth is he kept you as a backup and is now going behind his wife to have some sort of an emotional relationship with you. He isn't a good man.

You need to give him an ultimatum. Tell him you will contact his family and his wife if he continues to contact you. Tell him that he made his choice and it wasn't you, now he has to live with it.

Until you end it with him completely, you will not be able to move on and find someone else.

I hope I haven't said anything that hurts you. I apologize in advance if this has happened.

Good luck to you.

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the title says being FRIENDS with your ex. that's not what the rest of the post says though. more like being fiancee for your now married ex.

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I just read your topic briefly and this is my opinion. CUT all the connection. He is married and moved on...and so should you. The fact that you are still in contact with him tells me..ya're attach to him as well to an extent. Khair..just move on..do yourself a favour.