Beginning of the end of Pakistani Jihadis - Loss of 172 lives may save 1000's in Pak

Looks like this is the beginning of the end of Pakistan based Jihadis. LeT with all its tentacles was being allowed to operate without much hindrance. This albeit the fact that these Jihadis are murdering Pakistani army jawans and civilians.

For too long we have tolerated these goons that somehow they will help us “liberate” Kashmir. May be that plan would have worked if Pak Jihadis would have stayed “under the strict” direction and supervision of the Pak government.

Too bad Jihadis thought that Alqaida can provide them a better shelter than Pak government. In fact this is the same mindset that ended up destroying Afghani Talibans. They too thought that Pakistan is not needed anymore after aligning themselves with Bin Laden.

Well that was a mistake by Afghan talibs and the same mistake has been made by the Pak Jihadis.

Ultimately they were all doomed, because in this day and age, national boundaries carry much more weight than some dead concept like Pan-Islamism. Every idea today must be formed and framed within national boundaries. Only then one can get the idea moving forward.

Afghan Jihad against Soviet union would not have been successful if Russia had not respected Pak-Afghan border. Even when 100s of Russians were being slaughtered, they never dared to launch big time raids against Jihadi support centers in Peshawar.

Safe bases in Pakistan were the MAIN reason Afghan Jihad survived and finally succeeded. It is truly sad that Afghani and Pak Jihadis forgot the contributions of Pakistani motherland, and started hogging the whole credit to Jihadis alone.

USA too respected Pak-Afghan border for many many years and it has been only the last three years that FATA has been targeted using drones.

It is important for Pakistanis to realize that Pak motherland should and must always take precedence over the issues in Kashmir, Afghanistan, India, or even Denmark.

Sure some of Paks can leave (or have left) to settle in the West. But for majority of Pakistanis that number roughly 170 millions, the only place on earth to call home is the Pakistani homeland.

Army with the help of police and national guards - rangers, is the only institution that can protect the borders from the threats within and without.

Sure some people may say, Taliban Jihadis were the creation of Pak army, and that is a fact. However one must realize that any creation or entity must remain loyal to their “creator”, and Jihadis are no longer loyal to Pak army and Pakistani motherland.

And thus the time has come to crush Jihadis with full force. The effort must start from the mosques. As a first step, madrassahs can no longer be tolerated in Pakistan. any land acquired or bought in the Madrassahs must be turned over to the local education boards.

Mosques and all mosques must be brought under government control and their khutba sermons should be pre-approved. That’s what is done in Saudi and Iran. If our religious fundamentalists are going all ga ga over Saudi Islam or Irani Islam that we must see how Islam is “managed” by their governments.

That doesn’t mean we adopt the prejudices prevalent in Saudi and Iran.

For Pakistan, tolerance of other thoughts and religions should be the #1 standard to judge every text book and every khutba. Even if a single word is said against other religions, or cultures in a way to create hatred, that word must be cancelled.

Some people may say it is censorship. Yes it is to a point necessary to bring order in the society. Otherwise this religion based chaos and innocent-deaths will end up destroying the very concept of our national boundaries. And once the boundaries are gone, Pakistan will turn out to be the same as Somalia or worse Afghanistan.

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Though there are some flaws here and there but over all in general I agree that this is the need of the hour. Our army needs to cut the root of LeT, cut all its branches, destroy the fruits (or whatever) and same needs be done for so called Taliban. Some people are still thinking that these jihadis will save us but they are forgetting that these jihadis are causing the fasaad in first place.

I have always hated the idea of Egyptian/Saudi govts controlling masajid but seems like this will need be done for long time in Pakistan if we have to cut down the roots of this menace.

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So is it the Taliban or the LET we should go after? Please dont tell me they are the same things, because they're not.

To fight todays world you need money. Money comes from education. Muslim all over the world has the lowest per capita education and therefore lowest per capita income. We attack world in name of Islam but when they retaliate we cry foul. It is time muslim should see their own wrongs.

off course they are different. That is not the point. If you have two criminal gangs threatening you, would you launch a discussion on perceived or unperceived differences? or you will attack the very core of the crime?

War against Soviet was wrong. Wrong because our Jihadis fight as meceneries that mean as rented soldier. So one super power (US) destroy another super power (USSR). Our area was use as stage. And reme

The russkie war wasn't wrong but the way nation was dragged into indoctrination of 'jihad' to support it was wrong, today we are paying the price of 80s.

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Data has a very valid point, the real threat to lives and property of Pakistanis comes from Taliban, LeT is more a liability. THough LeT is probably much easier to control, its the Taliban that have developed into a monster that is seems very difficult to control.

So you are saying that it was OK that US bought our soldier on rent to fight russkie.

Yes, our army's involvement would be okay as it did serve Pakistan directly.

We did not give our soldiers on rent. We did that because:
1. The alternate of US bombing us was much worse.
2. The Jihadists were starting to bite the hand that fed them.

Well that's true.

Remember it always helps to have the benefit of "hindsight". So sure we can beat up the decisions made many many years ago.

Back when the Ruskies invaded Afghanistan, almost everyone including USA thought that Afghanistan is all but lost to communism.

There were several incidences where Russians "almost defeated" Afghans. The reason is simple. Afghans are not 50 foot tall people. They may be build a bit stronger than a 5 foot tall Madrasi, but they afterall are humans.

The only thing Afghans have going for them is their geographical terrain that helps during "traditional large scale" attacks.

Modern wars since the 60s have rendered that geographical advantage kind of useless. It is the same thing that happened to forts. After the invention of modern artillery, tradition 30 feet think fort walls couldn't stop the enemy from breaking down and entering the fort.

The same way Afghan "fortress" based on hills and valleys became useless when Ruskies employed airborne infantry and gunships.

It took less than a year for Russians to largely eliminate Afghan resistance. If it was not for President Reagan's bold step to allow the supply of stingers, Afghanistan would be a fully commie state by now (assuming the Soviet Union had survived so far).

The problem with Jihadi supporters and sundry hecklers is that they do not read history unless the history belongs to some made up era 1000 years ago.

Sure the old history is important but the war history of WW-II and later is much more important. Anyone who doesn't learn from it in an unemotional way, he is doomed to repeat the mistakes of Hitler, Japan, and Italy or most recently Mullah Omer or Saddam.

All in all - Jihadis were tasked to defeat communism, and somebody gave them money or weapons. They should have been thankful to the "benefactors", and they are not. May be they are too tribal (and hence uncivilized) to be Ihsan mand instead of Ihsan faramosh.

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Somebody said Afhgan Talibans are doomed, well i don’t know about LeT but, there is a news which is saying that Taliban are controlling 75% of Afghanistan and NATO is denying it by saying it is not 75% it is ONLY 50%… and Americans are now looking forward to initiate and support the peace talk…

i wonder who can call it doom…

In my opinion, no truer words have been spoken!

I used to work with a 35 year old Afghanistani businessman who had the same impression about his Tribal Elders back home.

The only solution is annihilation. As harsh as it sounds, birth is always painful but usually bears fruit.

Thanks bro!

So true. So many Jihadis on this forum are summun bukmun. They refuse to see the example of anarchy and tribalism in the next door country.

It is old news Taliban controlling much of Afghanistan, Karzai is not known as Kabul Mayor for no reason. US has been ‘thinking’ of peace talk with Taliban minus Mullah Omar (only due to ego clash) for sometime. The problem for Pakistan is TTP (Pakistani Taliban) who think highly of themselves and want to imitate Afghani Taliban (become warlords and dictate their own conditions in the country).