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*Originally posted by Femme Fatale: *
I don't believe covering the face is farz.
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Well according to some school of thoughts the face is part of a woman's awra therefore must be covered. Just wondering if a punishment is outlined about it in anywhere.
^ the people from those schools of thought are more than welcome to cover their faces, but lets not parade that around as "the" right view.
because then we can use the example of touaregs and ask men to cover up their faces as well. :)
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*Originally posted by NeSCio: *
if the head was that of a pig and the rest of the body a donkey: which part made her identifiable as a woman?
if she was the form of a dog.....how could one recognize her as a woman?
apart from this all, these punishments make me think more of bad sado-masochism practices than of divine punishments..........
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NeSCio these questions are out of place.. the accounts you are trying to scrutinize weren't written for you.. it's for those who are able to suspend their logical abilities under the impression that they are 'hearing and obeying'.
Who is parading the rite view? It is a blatant question. All school of thoughts followed the Prophet 's (saw) life at different times. All are rite, one is not superior to the other.
Man can cover the faces if he wants to 
but I just want to know if there is any punishment outlined for not a woman covering her face.
Agree that all islamic thoughts of schools are correct. With regards to your questions about it being obilgation(fardh) or not it depends on the school of opinion a person follows.
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*Originally posted by M: *
Salaam
Do you have the refernce for this hadith please.
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w/salaam
u mean the name of the book?
Praise be to Allaah.
Jareer ibn ‘Abdullaah said: "I asked the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) about an accidental glance at a woman. He commanded me to turn my gaze away." (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. See al-Sunan, 2700).
Commenting on this hadeeth, al-Mubaarakpoori said: " ‘Accidental’ means that his gaze fell on a non-mahram woman unintentionally. ‘He commanded me to turn my gaze away’ means that he was not to look a second time, because the first glance was not by choice and would be forgiven, but any further glances would be counted as sin, and he should heed the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)…’ [al-Noor 24:30]"
The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "O Ali, do not follow a glance with another, for you will be forgiven for the first, but not for the second." (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2701; see Saheeh al-Jaami’, 7953)
In al-Tuhfah, he said: "The words ‘do not follow a glance with another’ mean do not look again after the first glance. ‘You will be forgiven for the first’ means that you will be forgiven if the first glance was unintentional, and ‘but not for the second’ means that because the second glance was by choice, it will be counted against you."
So it is clear that deliberately looking at a non-mahram woman and continuing to look after a first accidental glance is haraam. It is forbidden to look at any part of her body, whether you think she is beautiful or not, whether it provokes sexual desire or not, whether it is accompanied by evil thoughts or not, and whether it leads to immoral deeds or not.
We ask Allaah to protect you and us from all haraam deeds. Allaah is the One Who guides to the Straight Path.
I really dont care about any school of thought. The point here is, what is required. I have nto seen any conclusive argument that covering the face is required.
Until there is a conclusive argument, there is no reason to suggest that it is a must.
Yeah I meant which sahih hadith book, but u can just tell the name of the book u got it from.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
I really dont care about any school of thought. The point here is, what is required. I have nto seen any conclusive argument that covering the face is required.
Until there is a conclusive argument, there is no reason to suggest that it is a must.
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I am not suggesting that it is mandatory I am trying to understand why some consider it as a required. and this can be done through the different schools of thought which are part of Islamic jurisprudence.
^ understood. :)
There were some threads on this earlier as well, with some pretty good arguments from all involved, with references etc. you may want to try and find those too.
Salam
I don’t know which book:o I read it on web, here’s the link…
Women
Re: Beauty Display by women
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Al_Quran: 24.31
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments **except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof*; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands their fathers their husbands' fathers their sons their husbands' sons their brothers or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons or their women or the slaves whom their right hands possess or male servants free of physical needs or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah that ye may attain Bliss. "
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As Faisal said, beauty is subjective. "Bosoms" are the only part that are explicitly required to be covered, according to this ayat.
Also, the above part in bold is key. How do we determine what this exception entails? According to whom?
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Also, the above part in bold is key. How do we determine what this exception entails? According to whom?
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Read through the living style of Ummahaat-ul-Momineen Radi Allaho Talaa anhuma.
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*Originally posted by baang-e-dara: *
Read through the living style of Ummahaat-ul-Momineen Radi Allaho Talaa anhuma.
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^Will it tell me what the Qur'an means by "what (must ordinarily) appear thereof?"
Because to me, it seems my face and hair can appear ordinarily.
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^Will it tell me what the Qur'an means by "what (must ordinarily) appear thereof?"
Because to me, it seems my face and hair can appear ordinarily.
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and to those european people and the american ppl, all that is not covered up by a bikini can appear ordinarily....
hence, see the place and time where this verse was revealed and look at the dress implemented by the women in that time....
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*Originally posted by armughal: *
and to those european people and the american ppl, all that is not covered up by a bikini can appear ordinarily....
hence, see the place and time where this verse was revealed and look at the dress implemented by the women in that time....
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So the Quran has a limited perspective on the human situation? I see it as transcendent.
^ no, its not Quran thats limited, its ur thought....
when one is engulfed within his own 'desires' and does not wish to be drawn out of them, he often sees rules contradicting his own behavior as outdated and unapplicable....
sahar..as you can see everyone interperets Quran differently..but we must make sure to do what Allah wants..hum Allah kay banday hain aur iss duniya main Allah ki hi bandagi kerni hai..we need to see the Seerat of Mohummad (pbuh&up) and Ale Mohummad (pbuh&up)..some ppl take religous very lightly and say oh i don't really see anything specific in Quran so i don't really have to do it..well this doesnt satisfy me..life aisi jeeni chahiye jaisi Allah chahta hai..na kay some guppies