Beatiful “Maqamat” Holy Shrines and Graves..
http://www.2mcr.com/html/islamic_pictures-maqamat_graves.html
Sure you can visit them, but don't do anything like...:
Jundub Ibn ‘Abdullaah al-Bajalee said that he heard the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) say - five days before he died: "Verily those before you took the graves of their Prophets and righteous people as places of worship, so do not take the graves as places of worship. Indeed I forbid you from this!"
[Related by Muslim (2/67-68), Aboo ‘Awaanah (1/104) and others]
From Aboo Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: "O Allaah, do not turn my grave into an idol. May the curse of Allaah be upon those who take the graves of their Prophets as places of worship."
[Related by Ahmad (no. 7352), Ibn Sa‘d (2/241-242) and others. Its chain of narrators is Authentic]
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
*And cover not *Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when you know (what it is).
**Quran,Al-Baqara, 42.
I have a beautiful hadit from Sahih bukhari hadith about graves and shrines:
Hadith 2.414
Narrated byUrwa
'Aisha said, "The Prophet in his fatal illness said, 'Allah cursed the Jews and the Christians because they took the graves of their Prophets as places for praying.' " 'Aisha added, "Had it not been for that, the grave of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) would have been made prominent but I am afraid it might be taken (as a) place for praying."
guys make your own conclusions.
Ahmad G. kyoun pangay laitay ho faltoo mein yaar....chor dou sub ko onkay haal pay....you wont get a thing out of all this.
Well well well..
Al Hamdulillah that “you” affirmed that, and agreed with our scholars, although disagreed with them on issues of the creed..
However these ahadith that you posted, Just a question, Do you really believe that there’s a Muslim that says La Ilaha Illa-llah Muhamadun Rasulullah, and goes to worship a grave?!! Or believes that the grave or its occupant will create harm or benefit?!! .. But let no one try to mix the image and say those who ask Allah by the virtur of the pious man is worship, because that is taught by the prophet to sahabah, and the hadith of the blind man is enough to prove that.
For more detailed PROVES refer to the following urls:
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/002123.html
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001639.html
My intention is clear for the sake of ALlah, I have no hate towards anyone, did not harm anyone, did not disrepect ANY one, (dislike others) and I always said what we learned from Al Qur’an And Sunnah not according to my interpertations but according to the interpertations of the four schools (Madhahib).
And Surely I’m proud to be one amongs Millions of Muslims who are steadfast on that creed.
Whoever disagrees, certainly on the day of judgment everything will be cleared, are you prepared?
Allah Knows Best.
When the blind man met Prophet, the Prophet was ALIVE, now he is not. Do you get the difference?
When we all wake up on the day of judgment, then you can ask Mohammad to intercede for you but NOT while he is in his grave.
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
*And cover not *Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when you know (what it is).
**Quran,Al-Baqara, 42.
Watcher, these useless discussions only create ‘Tafreeq’ and result in all muslims getting further divided. Its better to avoid them.. and keep the painful truth(
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) to yourself. We all know how knowledgable you are..
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[This message has been edited by ammarr (edited March 13, 2001).]
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
** ...... Do you really believe that there's a Muslim that says La Ilaha Illa-llah Muhamadun Rasulullah, and goes to worship a grave?!! Or believes that the grave or its occupant will create harm or benefit?!! ........
Oh, yes, no doubt about this. It is a common observation at all the graves of saints all over subcontinent. I have personally seen people praying and asking the saints for help. I have seen people commonly doing "sijda" towards the grave. Go to grave of Data Ganj Bakhsh in lahore or to grave of Abdullah Shah Ghazi in Karachi or for that matter to any saint't grave and watch yourself.
Simple,
Visiting Graves Of Prophets and Sahabah is not shirk. Worshipping, protrating, to graves is obviously unIslamic. Like I said, won't make this subject any longer, because it has been clarified to the opposers several times. But just to increase their certainty, and remove their ignorance, I had to clarify more.
Ok, so the opposer agreed that Sahabah made tawassul and tabaruk by the Prophet during his life time. Alhamdulillah..
However, also after his death, Sahabah made tawassul and tabarruk.
***After the death of the Prophet, and during the time of the caliphate of ^Uthman Ibn ^Affan, a man came to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf. This man complained to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf about a matter which he needed to be fulfilled through the caliph, but which was not being fulfilled. ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf ordered the man to go to the place where al-wudu' would be performed, perform al-wudu', perform two rak^ah, and after saying assalam to say the following words: 'O Allah, I ask You and I direct myself to You in supplication (((by our Prophet Muhammad))), the Prophet of Mercy. (((O Muhammad))), I direct myself to Allah (((by you))), so my need [specify need] would be fulfilled.
^Uthman Ibn Hunayf told him to return after doing this, and they would go together to the caliph. This man went and performed what ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf ordered him to do. However, instead of returning to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf, he elected to go on his own to the caliph--which he did. When he reached the door of the caliph, the gateman took him by the hand to the caliph. ^UTHMAN IBN ^AFFAN sat him on a carpet next to him and asked him, "What is your need that you wanted fulfilled? I forgot all about it until just now." The man informed the caliph about his need, which he fulfilled after the making the du^a’. The caliph told him, "Whenever you have a need, come to me and I will satisfy it for you."
At-Tabaraniyy said: “And The Hadith is Sahaih” That means it has the status of accuracy. What is this called?! Isn’t this a reference? Now, one needs to, if not certain, check the saying of at-Tabaraniyy in his great books!. ***
This is enough to prove that what millions of Muslims do, is Islamic and asserted from the teachings of Sahabah. Whoever dislikes that, let him know that he nor his leaders, are not close to be as knowledgable as the students of the students of Sahabah.
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Salam brothers and sisters.. I was away, but Masha’llah the forum has pretty neat topics up.. but Brother Ahmad, thanks a lot for what you have posted from proves to shut this guys mouth as he seems to be total ignorant!! .. And I really can’t believe that the admin allowed him to say such thing in this thread (http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/002408.html )!!
o My God!! o man, if I was admin here, or moderator, I would certainly put an end to this!! I can’t believe this!.. A3zubillah.. A3zubillah..
But brother don’t worry, you are way respectful man.. and all the bros and sisters..
saty cool.