'Be,' and it is!

In one of the thread about Hazrat Isa (as), from what I can understand (and please correct me if I understood it wrong) it was argued that as the verse 47/48 of Surah Al-Imran says:

[3:47/48] She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, ‘Such is the way of Allah. He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is;

… so Hazrat Isa (as) birth was like a miracle where Allah said ‘Be’ and Hazrat Maryam had a baby. So trying to explain it in any scientific terms will be going against this verse that clearly states it happened just like that i.e. ‘BE’. It makes me wanna say then why even go through the trouble of creating a miracle that others can question, why not just make Hazrat Isa (as) ‘BE’ like a grown man out of no where, as Hazrat Adam (as) is believed to be. But that’s a little out of scope of this thread.

Anyway, so being intrigued by this argument I checked my handy dandy tafseer and it had mentioned other places where such claims of " ‘Be’ and it is" are made in Quran. Allah bless all those who compiled the tafaseer, they indeed put a lot of work into it. Following is another place where it is claimed in reference to life and death.

[40:68/69] He it is Who gives life and causes death. And when He decrees a thing, He says concerning it, ‘Be!’ and it becomes into being.

And then a number of places where it is specifically mentioned in relation to creating heavens and earth. Namely;

[16:40/41] Our word concerning a thing, when We will it, it is only that We say to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.

[2:117/118] He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a thing, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.

[6:73/74] And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in accordance with the requirements of wisdom; and on the day when He will say, ‘Be’, it will be. His word is the truth, and His will be the Kingdom on the day when the trumpet will be blown. He is the Knower of the unseen and the seen. And He is the Wise, the All-Aware.

[36:82/83] Verily, His command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says concerning it, ‘Be,’ and it comes into being.

So, if I take the first argument that explaining Hazrat Isa (as)'s birth by arguing that Hazrat Maryam (as) might have been a hermaphrodite or by any other scientific explanation goes against the text of the verse than one can safely argue that trying to explain the origin of the universe, the big bang theory and such likes, is all against the Quran where Allah clearly claimed that He only had to say “‘Be’ and it becomes into being

In other words, my first question is to find out if the common belief among Shia and Sunni Muslims is that there is no scientific explanation of heavens and earth and their creation was a super natural miracle, totally beyond any scientific explanation, just like Jesus (as) birth?

And my second question, which related to the first one is, if all Allah needs to say is ‘Be’ .. then where do all the angels come into play? If all Allah needs to say is ‘Be’ and the rain will fall, then why Hazrat Mika’eel has to be in charge of that? Wouldn’t rain just fall on it’s own. And is all the scientific explanations of rain bogus?

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Creating another "Adam" might've been more troublesome for the existing people, they might have called him a "jin" or something? Those who didn't believe wouldn't have believed in the other case as well, God created Hazrat Isa AH with one miracle, if He had created him thru another miracle people would have said "why not other method"..... Allah swt knows best why He did so.

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Captain, I would love to argue that but as I said earlier it is a bit out of scope for this thread and will probably take it another route. I am just trying to understand how the origin of the earth is viewed and how the verse "Be, and it is" is interpreted in general terms.

Thanks for your comment.

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"Be" is for "creations", Angels come into play to provide means for the creations to exist, to be able to perform what they are "designed" to.

If 'rain' were to fall by God saying 'be' then we wouldn't have "science", "shaitan" won't be able to misguide us (?) etc.

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So, you believe that creation is not scientific but the sustaining is. Ok.

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That’d be one way to look at it, my intention was to specify the purpose of Angels, they are like “support staff”, support the existence of creatures, carry out their duties in a prescribed way which we call “science”, like rain.

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So, do you believe you were created unscientifically or do you believe your creation was in the sustaining part?

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My creation would be “scientific” as it followed the general process as described in our science.

In your first post you said this:

My understanding/opinion is that Hazrat Mikael is still responsible for the rain, the way he carries out is to some extent what we’ve studied in ‘science’, he carries it out in similar fashion hence we are now able to “predict” to some extent.

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Great, thanks.

Anyone else?

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didn't u say that it is a miracle??
if so, how can u explain amiracle???

about heavens and earth.......
isn't the science it self a creation of god???

another thing is: what did Allah create heavens and earth from??
he did create them out of nothing, how can the science explain a creation of somthing from nothing???

what "may" concern us as humans the logical profe that Allah did create everything, but not the scientific explanation!!

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exactly…

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Hear me, all I am trying to find out is what others believe the true meaning of "Be' and it is" are.

So, what do you believe it means?

And it is not very exact, but belief is not meant to be that way anyway.

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I think we can take interpretation of ‘Be and it is’ as ‘Be and it will’. Meaning, if Allah desires something to happen, then it will happen no matter what. We all know that creation of this universe didn’t take a second or two. It took millions of years to form.

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I beleive in Allah’s power, when Allah says :BE… then it is, either by scientific means or without it, this matter is much much complicated than what it seems… and it is the first step to hell for some people… because they did not take it…

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but u should know that time is one of Allah’s creations…
and Allah is not governed by the borders of time…
so u can not say that Allah spent time doing this or doing that…
for more info I sugest u read Al Kendi’s opinion about the world and the universe…

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Hear me, so you too like Captain believe that creation has no scientific explaination? Earth and Heaven were created instantly by Allah alone without any help, just by saying "BE". Right?

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This is one of the most important of concepts that we seem to ignore nowadays.

Allah created this universe, its laws and regulations and thus science itself.

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^^ Agreed.

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Can either three of you explain a little bit more about the concept that 'God created science' as you guys understand it and how it relates to the verse "Be and it is"?

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The creation of the heavens, earth and everything else was by Allah (SWT). Nothing is impossible or difficult for Allah (SWT). I’m not sure if there’s a scientific explanation for it or not. There are some who have tried to justify it through scientific evidence and there are some who believe in the mere fact that Allah (SWT) created it all and leave it at that.

Only Allah (SWT) has the wisdom about the the purpose behing creating angels and other such creations.

If memory serves me right, Allah (SWT) created them and us to worship Him (SWT) alone.