Batting Coach issue for Pakistan - a definite need

Well whether Miandad is the right choice or not is a different debate…and I may side with some who are opposed to him, but still having a full time tag along coach exclusively for batting would serve Pakistan team well. If they are really trying to groom the next 11 for the future in both Tests and the shorted formats.

Afridi is now signalling that it may be a foreign coach. I see no harm in it. Waqar has the professionalism to deal with Goras and a good batting coach could work alongside him or even take over for him if he decides to leave.

Look at India. After 2007’s embarrasing departure, and the chappals for Chappel, Gary Kirsten, primarily a batsmen, has made Indian batting even more stronger and well rounded.

So given that the next WC will be held downunder, it would not be unwise for Pakistan to hire an Aussie or Kiwis batting coach or some one that can teach these newer guys two mainstay things, how to build an innings and how to play well in those high bounce conditions.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/10/foreign-batting-coach-may-be-considered-afridi.html

Foreign batting coach may be considered: Afridi

Dawn.com Sports Desk (4 hours ago) Today

KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Team captain Shahid Afridi on Sunday said that the possibility of bringing in a foreign batting coach would be considered if Javed Miandad was unavailable to fill the role for the national team.

Giving the inauguration speech at Karachi’s Boom Boom Cricket Stadium, Afridi said that he will try to learn from his previous mistakes in order, improve and try to give the team some stability.

He said the team picked for the West Indies tour consists of fresh players and it will present a great opportunity to Pakistan to assess its future prospects.

Afridi said that the team would try its best to achieve a good result, but admitted that a lot of hark work was needed to improve the team’s fielding.

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I have heard Afridi say that god knows how many times, so I w’d take it with a grain of salt! He (and guys like Hafeez and Imran Farhat) won’t learn from their past mistakes for sure
Batting coach is definitely the need of the hour. I am ok with Miandad as batting coach as long as he does not accompany the team on tours

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Well I think that maybe this time around PCB may actually listen.

Also news is the Miandad has turned the offer down at least for the time being. Mostly Indian Media is reporting this headline though.

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Inzamam can be a very good choice for the coach

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Inzamam was a good batsman...but can he coach? He has minimal leadership qualities..

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If they need a batting coach at this stage ( after playing 200 to 300 matches ) - they all should join a cricket academy ...

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I have said it again, batting coach can only guide you how to play in certain conditions, how to counter spin, how to bat against swing conditions, our much of batting line-up collapses when ball is neither spinning nor swinging, its our batsmen’s brain which swings and spins in pressure situation which a coach can’t change IMO. :sunnyboy:

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I think anything is fixable, all that is needed is hard work, correct instruction and a will to correct. The coach may have more effect on younger players, than the senior ones. And the focus should be the next 11 not the past few.

I think Gary Kirsten for India, Tom Moody for Sri Lanka and previously Whatmore are prime examples. Woolmer also had a good effect on batting as well.
So a good batting coach should be tried.

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A batting coach could guide the batsmen on strategy. Which bowlers to target, when to block, when to accumulate and when to hit out. That can help Pakistani batsmen (Misbah, Razzaq) as they know to either only block or to hit out but nothing in between. Whether they can follow such an advice after having enough experience is the question.

Miandad is probably not a good candidate and indications are he is not going to accept the position of a batting coach under the main coach. Saeed Anwar, Inzimam or Shoiab Mohammad or even a foreign coach could work as well.

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Zaheer Abbas :

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More than a batting coach, the team direly needs the services of a sports psychologist to help them with attention focus and performance management - but then again, consulting psychologists is a social stigma in Pakistan.

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I think we need batting coaches for domestic structure more than National team. There is nothing much coach can teach to Younus, Misbah, Afridi now. What national team needs is a change in fitness culture and as LC mentioned psycho therapy.

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Psycho therapy naheen milnay kee kiyon keh Chairman is a nut who think this is the norm...

however, batting coach is needed to work out the shot selection and adjustment needed for next world cup. They should hire an Aussie for batting coach. to tour along with Waqar for next 4 years.

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SO people still think that there is no coach needed to improve batting for all these new faces who have no clue of how to bat in a Test match?

Ex-cricketers criticise Pakistan’s batting
ESPNcricinfo staff
May 17, 2011

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Asad Shafiq was beaten by inswing in the second innings © AFP

The continuing struggles of Pakistan’s batsmen has come under scrutiny again after posting totals of 160 and 178 in their loss to West Indies in Providence. The performances, on an admittedly tricky surface on which West Indies also struggled, shone a light again on the inexperience in the line-up, particularly the middle order, and an over-reliance on the captain Misbah-ul-haq and the currently absent Younis Khan.

A number of former cricketers have jumped in with their thoughts on the problem, a debate carried out as talk of the need for a batting consultant or coach in the set-up also increases. According to former Pakistan captain Hanif Mohammad, the problem lies in the demands of the format. “Test cricket is a different ball game altogether and it needs more concentration on the technical aspect,” Hanif told the Express Tribune. “Most of our players fail to understand the difference between limited-overs and Test matches and they play both formats with the same approach.”

Hanif’s comments are vindicated to an extent in that that there has been only one Test century by a Pakistan batsman in the last twelve months; Younis Khan, against South Africa in Abu Dhabi. Plenty of batsmen have got half-centuries - Misbah alone has seven - but haven’t gone on to convert.

It is not as if the batsmen have been raking in the runs in the one-day format either. The last time Pakistan scored more than 300 runs in a one-dayer against a Test-playing nation was against Bangladesh in June 2010. They struggled with the bat during the World Cup and didn’t manage anything more than 248 over five one-dayers in the West Indies.

Hanif also pointed to a weakness against swing as one of the reasons for the loss in Providence. “Pakistan have always struggled a lot against swing bowling and this is one of their weakest points,” he said. “In our first-innings we went on the back foot and lost wickets, while in the second-innings we struggled against swing bowling.”

Pakistan could not cope with swing on their now infamous tour of England last summer and were bowled out for less than a hundred thrice during the Tests there. Since then, there have been improved performances thanks largely to Misbah’s form since being given the captaincy. They have come across friendlier pitches in the UAE and then did well to notch up substantial first-innings totals in New Zealand, but batting long - individually or collectively - has proved problematic in the absence of men such as Inzamam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf and Younis.

In Providence, they also struggled against the legspin of Devendra Bishoo in their first innings, before being troubled by the swing of Ravi Rampaul and Darren Sammy in the second. The seven dismissals Sammy managed in the Test - five lbw and two bowled - were similar in impact to the way Nuwan Kulasekara troubled Pakistan with inswing in Sri Lanka, in 2009.

Aamer Sohail, the former Pakistan opening batsman, said the problem went beyond playing swing bowling or spin, and there was a need to improve young batsmen’s technique at a nascent stage. “Basically we have to improve our batting technique at the grass-roots, club and first-class level to prepare better batsmen to cope with all kinds of situations,” he told the Dawn.

Meanwhile, another former Pakistan batsman Zaheer Abbas has said it is up to Pakistan’s board to remedy the problem. “Pakistan’s batsmen have been struggling throughout the tour, so I think the PCB will have to do something to overcome this problem if they want to form a good side,” Abbas told the News.

The PCB did bring in Javed Miandad as a batting consultant before both the New Zealand and West Indies series, but have not appointed a permanent batting coach. On that subject, Hanif said Pakistan do not need one. “I don’t think we need a special batting coach as the current players are experienced enough to tackle things on their own,” he said. << Javed is very old school and I personally think his comment here are worth crap…

The next Test between Pakistan and West Indies starts May 20 in St Kitts.

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Pak Spin

May 16, 2011
Posted by Kamran Abbasi 21 hours, 36 minutes ago in West Indies 2011

Batting, a case of chronic neglect

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Misbah-ul-Haq missed the chance to become the first Pakistan captain to win a series in the Caribbean© AFP

When Pakistan reflect on their defeat in the first Test, courtesy of the occasionally decent bowling of Darren Sammy, they should examine why their batsmen have developed a habit of falling to some of the world’s least celebrated bowlers? They might struggle. Batsmanship has become an unfathomable art in Pakistan cricket, lost with the ancients. By default, Pakistan teams can bowl and can’t field. The batting, meanwhile, has been spasmodic.

Misbah-ul Haq had an incredible opportunity to carve his name in history by leading a first Pakistan victory in a Caribbean Test series. Those dreams are dust. Misbah might curse his misfortune that West Indies were stiffer opponents than expected, but his frustration would be better directed at the chronic neglect of fundamental batting skills at the highest level of Pakistan cricket.

Pakistan have always struggled for batting, certainly in comparison with their neighbours to the East, yet you would not have described it as a poverty of batting resources. How could you when you could call upon Zaheer Abbas, Majid Khan, Hanif Mohammad, and even Asif Iqbal and Mushtaq Mohammad. Up to the 1980s Pakistan teams might have batted with unreliable spirit, but there would be flashes of genius to inspire hope.

In the 1980s and early 1990s, Imran Khan and Javed Miandad added some spine to Pakistan’s performances. Too often it was only their backs to the wall, but their leadership did enough to coerce greater responsibility from their fellows on enough occasions to make Pakistan genuine challengers to West Indies. Fear of Imran’s wrath aside, English county cricket played a part in honing and strengthening techniques.

Imran and Javed, Pakistan’s contrary heroes, left a legacy of batting promise. Saeed Anwar, Inzamam-ul Haq, Salim Malik, and Ijaz Ahmed were in place to shepherd Pakistan through the 1990s and into the new millennium. Pakistan’s batting remained strong if increasingly unpredictable, and underperformance began to become a frustrating norm after the 1999 World Cup.

**Following a glut of inevitable departures in the early 2000s, Inzamam remained the champion of Pakistan’s middle order with increasing support from Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf. Yet Pakistan’s problems began to unravel as the opening slot became a position of crisis, and has been as such for a decade; Pakistan haven’t had a world-class opening batsman since Saeed Anwar’s last Test match in 2001.
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The batting disaster has many complex explanations. Cricketing isolation and an inadequate domestic structure are major factors but that doesn’t excuse the inadequacies of the approach taken in recent years by Pakistan’s cricket board

It is no coincidence that the last spur of Pakistan’s batting strength, and the peak of performance from Inzamam, Younis, and Yousuf, came under the guidance of Bob Woolmer. Those very instabilities that surround Pakistan cricket, and the unusually young age of players when they are blooded, means that ***Pakistan’s international batsmen still require much work on the technical basics ***of their craft. Even world-class performers can benefit from a wise word or subtle pointer when form has deserted them.

Since Bob Woolmer’s death, Pakistan’s international batsmen haven’t had that essential tutelage. It is too much to ask Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed to fill those important gaps. Until the Pakistan Cricket Board reconfigures the national team’s coaching structure to properly develop and improve its international cricketers, Pakistan will continue to miss golden opportunities to win series by the same country mile that Saeed Ajmal missed the final Darren Sammy delivery in the Guyana Test.

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