Basic Beliefs of Hinduism & Islam

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I hope ullu’s and banta’s honeymoon is going well. Did I miss allot or you guys just started?

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Enjoy.

Again, all of your comments suggest that you do not have any knowledge of Islam what so ever. You need to search about it, look at it with open mind. Islam does have freedom of everything there is.

What does your religions say about womens rights?
What does your religion say about race?
What does your religion say about minorities?

How does brahmin deal with hindus of lower castes?

You need to stop judging Islam and research about it, before you open your and say something ilogical or something that is not part of Islam.

**“They intend to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will complete His light even though the disbelievers hate (it)”
(Surah As-Saff 61:8)

“It is He who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, so that He may make it victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers detest it”
(Surah As-Saff 61:9)

“There is no compulsion in religion. The right path has indeed become distinct from the wrong. So whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing”
(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256)**

I asked you many times, to provide evidence on ANYTHING you say relating to Islam. But, you cannot, one can surely guess that you are making this stuff up, because of arrogance and hate towards Muslims and Islam.

Before I start telling you what Islam is really about, you need to be open-minded and not generalize or judge Islam on the actions/conduct of minority of its people. You need to go out and find out what is the truth about Islam, instead you sit on your sofa and watch biased, prejudiced Jewish and Indian media as your source for truth.

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A few words for Rani sahiba,
Can you not get it what was stated 1400 years ago has just been understood! Hiding behind your un-rational cover (hinduisim) is no good for you or your religion!

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how was the universe created accoding to hinduisim? I will have to say your"gods" were to busy finding women to state how they created the universe!!(you started bashing Islam so it is my duty to stick up for my faith even if I have to bash your religion)

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well i’ve seen that hindus have a complex about their religion. they hide their gods in the closets so no one can see them. its a common fashion for most to be ethiests just to avoid questions on their hindu beleifs. here in u.s i have never come across a shoodar when there are 300 million of them in the world unfortunately. they are ashamed of their existence in hinduism therefore many convert to christianity and other religions as soon they get a chance. but u do come across many brahmans. amusingly most of them are just lieing cos they do not want to associate themselves with the negative connotations of shoodars etc. quite shameful indeed.

same pattern is obvious here… watcher has posted FACTS about hinduism. didnt criticize it… didnt form his opinion or anything. just listed the obvious… things all hindus know about their religion but most muslims do not. Similarly he posted things about Islam that all muslims know about their religion but all hindus might not.

If hindus want to refute what he has written about hinduism then u should point out where. otherwise it just shows that hindus do not feel comfortable discussing hinduism… like those gods they hide in their closets… they would like it to be hidious. o’well it doesnt work that way. TRUTH must be heard.

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A Hindu's stand is clear. There is wide diversity of opinions and philosophies in his religion and he will choose whatever suits logic and conscience.

If there is something that he finds outdated, he will throw it. This is more honest stand than pretending that none of the practices are ever outdated. What is Muslims stand on outdated statements and practices in their religion. None. They are busy stretching the meaning of Quran trying to prove how everything from big bang theory to evolution and from quantum mechanics to coca-cola is there in quran.

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ZZ sir, that is what you fail to understand.

Islam is/was/will be for all times, all nations, all men/women and everyBODY in this universe.

Everything is in Quran from evolution of big-band[explained and told 1400 years ago] and how you develope in mothers womb explained and told 1400 years ago - embryology we call it ] No other book in history is as authentice[scientificly or other wise ] as is our Quran.

All you have to do is look it up research it and believe it. And not criticise or invent your own false things about it out of arrogance and hate. not applying to you ]

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ZZ says:

I disagree. What Hindus do is to take other better ideas and call thenm Hinduism. There’s nothing honest about that. It’s like calling the Taj Mahal a hindu temple.

If Hindus were really honest they would say, yes treating shudras like scum is evil, therefore Hinduism is crap. We now believe in Humanitarianism as taught by Greek philosophers. Instead they try and claim all this wisdom came from Hindusim, despite their own books showing that’s tripe.

Come on you hindus, learn to be honest.

Tell it like it is Joe

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Every religion need not be like Islam. Hiduism is not. As has been discussed 1000 times on this forum, it is not a monolithic religion. As I said before, even it is not clear whether to bury or burn. Mahanubhav's bury their dead and they are hindus. Practices have changed in past. Manusmriti which Xtreme is so fond of quoting is a recent book post-Buddha. Given that practices have changed in past, why they can't change now. And if hindus accept good ideas here and there what is wrong in it.

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Given that practices have changed in past, why they can't change now. And if hindus accept good ideas here and there what is wrong in it.

Nothing...except claiming the credit for it.

Take the phrase "property is theft". Clearly a marxist thought, but if I was to claim I had thought of that and that it was a muslim idea, you would find that dishonest.

Hinduism can't claim to be everything. Give credit where it is due.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
**>>Given that practices have changed in past, why they can't change now. And if hindus accept good ideas here and there what is wrong in it.

Nothing...except claiming the credit for it.

Take the phrase "property is theft". Clearly a marxist thought, but if I was to claim I had thought of that and that it was a muslim idea, you would find that dishonest.

Hinduism can't claim to be everything. Give credit where it is due.**
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If big bang theory is in Quran, why cant u find marxism in quran. There are already christians who found that jesus was a socialist.

there are two parts of religion, one is behavioral and other philosophical. While the first keeps changing in course of time, second obviously takes longer. And even there, additions are not unheard of.

This is hard to swallow for Muslims whose religion is a complete package from how to pray to how to pee. They expect others to be the same. It is not. You are using a wrong yardstick.

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If a moderator is not being moderate in his mrssages, then what can be expected from anybody else?

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Nothing...except claiming the credit for it<<

Christainity has changed a lot, it is not practiced as it is in bible...who should they give credit to. Great philospeher like Volitair, Guru Nanak, Kabir, Ravidas have great hand in changing human thinking they should get the credit and we give them the credit. Their philoshpy is part of Guru Granth Sahib and taught in all Indian school text books to all childrens.

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Banta Singh,

There's nothing wrong with what I said, that is why you couldn't argue with the content of what I said and resorted to personal criticism. Try harder.

Rani,

I agree with you, Hindus should give credit to Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists and other influences and not try to grab the credit for themselves by putting a Hindu label on it.

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Xtreme,

Hindus should give credit to Christians, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists and other influences and not try to grab the credit for themselves by putting a Hindu label on it

We all are influenced by great thinkers and sages and since time immorial have been learning from each other, exchange of ideas is one of the most powerful tool. Most important thing is to have an open mind and willingness to learn and absorb and change...what one calls oneself is not important.

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Once again Rani, I find myself agreeing with you. What one calls oneself is not important, so there is no need for Hindus to claim that all thoughts and ideas are of Hindu origin.

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Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
*Once again Rani, I find myself agreeing with you. What one calls oneself is not important, so there is no need for Hindus to claim that all thoughts and ideas are of Hindu origin. *
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What is Hindu origin? Certain things have stood test of time, some haven't. Certain practices and customs came in at some pointy and disappeared. Many things have happened in 5000 yrs of history and positive or negative influences of other beliefs or their customs can not be ruled out. Nonetheless, major core of philosophical thought remains predominantly different from Judaism and its derivatives, Islam and Christianity. The tie people including Hindus wear have a christian origin, having holiday on sunday is christian origin, even the words like 'ministry' and 'fellowship' have that origin. They are all there. The question is core issues. So there is not really much credit to give. But if u want to take it, we do not mind u claiming that.

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Xtreme,

The basic thoughts of eastern religions are different from the Abramical religions. Eastern religions are based knowledge gained by great sages who spend their lives trying to find the truth and meaning of life. Whereas, the Abramical religions claim that message came directly from God. That is a fundamental difference.

Because the eastern religion are based on truth gathered by the great sages...they don't claim to be the only way to reach God or to gain peace and spirituality and in this life and life hereafter. Great emphasis is given to treat all human beings equal and be a good person....being a good hindu or good sikh is meaningless if you are not a good person. I don't want to go into the defination of what good person is because it will make the discussion very long but I hope you get my whiff.

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ZZ

I fully agree with what you say but the most important thing you forgot to mention is that today is October 13th 2000.

Oh yes a date from the christian calendar, is'nt it? I wonder if asked, what date is it today, how many muslims will know the date in the Hijri calender, how many hindus will know it in the Vikrami calender and how many Sikhs will know it in the Nanakshahi calendar?

So, what are we supposed to do about this christian influence on all the religions, Mr xtreme?

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Watcher

In only 3 weeks you have managed to post 379 posts on gup shup, which tells me that you can't be very busy with your studies.

One of your brothers, on another thread,is wondering if all the muslims are Namard because a handfull of jews are proving to be too many for more than a billion muslims.

Why don't you be a good muslim, go to Palestine to fight alongside your muslim brothers to beat the hell out of these jews. I'm sure Allah will be most pleased with you if you did that rather than posting poisonous messages on gup shupp.

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banta singh lol chill man

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and today is 15th Rajab

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banta singh,

i dont know what you mean when you say to the watcher to go and help beat hell out of jews in palestine. The jews are building houses on palestinian land and bulldozing houses owned by palestinians. why shouldnt kids & adults throw stones at those who steal their homes?

kher, its difficult to beat the hell out of jews when they have machine guns and you have a stone.

abt hinduism then its the most immoral religion on earth. It shouldnt be called a religion

hinduism alllows drugs, murder, adultery , rape , fornication prostitution. Hinduism should only be allowed to follow by indian kids over 18 year of age because its so violent beleifs system.

in india today the morals have been stolen from other religions cos hinduism doesnt provide rules. Therefore their is some law and order in india thanks to morals borrowed from other religions. Imagine a country where murder, rape is legal cos the religion says SATISFY YOUR DESIRES.