BASE OF ALL CONFLICTS, WHAT IS REALITY?

The last address of prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is controversial, please bring the athentic sources matching Quran prediction about Last Address, please help to remove the conflicts among all different muslims sects and show them the right path of (DEEN ISLAM).

**According my my knowledge: **

**ALLAMA SHIBLI’S **

“In the way, there was a place called Khum which is three miles apart from Johfa. Here was an oasis. In Arabic, an oasis is called ‘Ghadeer’ and hence, in ordinary traditions, this place is called as “Ghadeer-e-Khum”. The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) collected all his companions in this place and delivered a brief sermon.
After praising and Glorifying the Lord he said
" 0 People I am a mortal. Possibly, God’s angel may come and I have to accept (his message i.e. death). I leave behind you two weighty things. First of them is the Book of Allah in which is guidance and light. Hold the Book of Allah firmly. Second is my Ahlul Bait, I remind you of Allah through my Ahlul Bait.“He repeated the last statement thrice This is a tradition from Sahih Muslim (in the chapter ofManaqeb H. Ali a.s.), Nisaai, Musnad-e- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Tirmidhi, Tabarani, Haakim-e-Neshapouri etc. have some more sentences too in which the glorification of H. Ali (a.s.) are quite evident. In these traditions one sentence is quite common and that is :-Of whomsoever I am his Master, Ali is His Master. 0 Allah, help him who helps Ali and be his enemy who is Ali’s enemy”. Clear explanation in the traditions are not found as to what was the necessity for these statements. In Sahih-e-Bukhari, it is mentioned that Hazrat Ali (a.s.) was sent to Yemen during this time and on his return, participated in the Haj journey. There, in Yemen, he did something on his own authority which was not liked by some of his co-travellers One of them on returning, complained to the Holy Prophet about Ali (a.s.)'s action. The Holy Prophet replied that Ali (a.s.) had the right to do more than this. It’s not surprising that to dispel such doubts, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) uttered these statements. (Seeratun Nabi, Vol. 1)
Such a magnanimous event like Ghadeer-e-Khum has been signed off by Allama Shibli Nomani in just eleven sentences. This is a clear proof for his art in maintaining brevity in narrating an important historical event. Though, it must be said that this very mention of the Ghadeer incident is quite a compensation. What if he had denied the very occurence of the incident?
He writes : “Here, Prophet (s.a.w.) collected the sahaba (companions) and delivered a brief sermon”. Is this not a historical breach of trust? Because the sermon of Ghadeer was not a brief sermon but a lenghty and detailed sermon which was a perpetual source of divine light and guidance of which you all are well aware
As far as the sentences, which the calls as ‘Khutbah of Ghadeer’, are concerned, no learned Muslim worth his weight will call it a Khutbah and the attempt by Allama Shibli to deceive the common Muslims is quite manifest. For, in these few sentences, there is neither guidance nor fundamental laws of jurisprudence.
Apparently, its just an ordinary tradition or a will of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) to follow the Qur’an and treat his Able Bait (a.s.) well, after he was certain that his death was near. Also, he has plucked a distorted o’ft-repeated tradition of Saqlain from Sahih Muslim due to which the following of Qur’an can’t be put at par with the following ofAhlul-Bait (a.s.) And by emphasising on the difference between the “hold on tightly” (for Qur’an) and “Remember”, concepts for Ahlul Bait a.s.), he has tried to prove that the condition of holding on tightly is solely for Qur’an while for the Ahlul Bait only remembrance will suffice. Thereby, he had laid the foundation for the slogan “the Book of Allah is sufficient for us.”
We would like to question Allama Shibli, with folded hands, as to what is the use of concealing facts which have been narrated meticulously and in detail, by not one or two but hundreds of great Sunni scholars, narrators and traditionalists and that too with a certain sense of pride, in their invaluable writings and compilation and in the process, revealing the ugly faces of the enemies ofHazrat Ali (a.s.) whose hearts bare nothing but malice against the noble leader. Neither he nor the narrator of Sahih Muslim have succeeded in covering up the truth. Both of them attempted to disprove the tradition that the Qur’an and Ahlul Bait (a.s.) are equal but fortunately failed miserably.
And at quite a few intervals, he utilises his God - given gifts of intellect to ponder over the tradition in Sahih Muslim.
I leave behind you two most weighty things…” from the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) and gives his verdict of their being equal. When there is no third thing named along with these two, its quite logical and understandable that these two have to be of equal status and level. Thus, according to his own narrations and confessions, these two great things are of the same status and this statement is testified by none other than the great personality of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.). Perhaps, while narrating the tradition from Sahih Muslim, Allama Shibli Nomani may have been afraid of some unknown but expected criticism. Hence, he hastily added after narrating this tradition that in Nisaai, Musnad -e-Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Tirmidhi, Tabaraani, Haakim, etc. some more sentences glorifying Hazrat Ali (a.s.) are to be found.
One more thing which is quite beyond comprehension and understanding is that why is he sticking only to the tradition from Sahih Muslim when according to his ownself other great scholars too, amongst which two are the authors of Sahihs and hence are on par with Muslim, have narrated this tradition and have quoted some more sentences glorifying Hazrat Alt (a.s.) while that of Muslim is incomplete and not conveying the entire message? An unprejudiced view will unhesitantly reach to this conclusion that to hide, reduce or distort important and significant events like Ghadeer and Mubahela, the matter of giving preference to Sahih Bukhari and Sahin Muslim came to the fore. For, it has to be mentioned with great grief that these two gentlemen possessed the art of concealing facts with uncanny ease and comfort. But what was the use? Facts, plain facts, could not be just wrapped up and put on the shelves. As a result, when Imam Haakim felt the pinch of the matter, he wrote in his book while narrating the incident of Ghadeer.
“This tradition is Sahih (correct) according to Muslim, even though both of them (Bukhari and Muslim) have not mentioned it.”
God knows as to what was the reasoning behind the two Imams, Bukhari and Muslim, concealing facts and that too being in vain because the above mentioned scholars have, by jottting down the actual details of the events, exposed the myth surrounding the authenticity of Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and even Allama Shibli Nomani. For. it was the Allama’s duty, like an honest historian, to narrate other references along with the tradition from Sahih Muslim to give other scholars a chance to derive a conclusion from the entire episode. Possibly, such precaution have been taken in narrating the incident so as to prevent the increment in the glorification ofAmeerful Momeneen, Hazrat Ali Ibn Abi Talib (a.s.). Or maybe, his narrow vision and limited foresight refrained him from referring to more reliable books of traditions. Therefore, while nar-rating a tradition from a Sahih, Sunan-e-Nisaai, on the hadees ofSaqlain in event of Ghadeer, he quotes the renowned Imam Nisaai : "Zaid Ibn Arqam (r.a.) relates that while returning from the last Hajj to Madina, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) paused at a place called Ghadeer which is between Mecca and Madina. That was the thirteenth day ofZilHajj. The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) addressed the Muslims : “0 people I will be asked whether I have conveyed the divine message to you?” The entire crowd replied, equivically “We witness that you have conveyed the divine message and fulfilled the right of advice. And we witness that there is no God except Allah and you are His Truthful Messenger.” The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) said: "I witness upon your witness. "Then, again he (s.a.w.) said : "0 People, I am leaving (behind me) amongst you, two most weighty things. If you catch hold of them tightly, you will never be lead astray after me. They are the Book of Allah and my Progeny**.** The merciful divine messenger (Jibraeel) has informed me that they will never part from each other until they meet at the Kausar." Although, the equality in the status of the Holy Qur’an and the Ahle Bait had been proved in the tradition from Sahih Muslim, but because the words, ‘catch hold tightly’ for Qur’an and ‘remember’ for Ahle Bait had been used in it there would be a chance for an element of doubt to remain in those who possessed shaky faiths and unsound beliefs. And by doing so. Imam Muslim has attempted to take undue advantage in his inimitable yet unenviable style but one cannot hide a mountain with a veil. For, as far as Allama Shibli’s Faith is concerned, the lesser the words of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) glorifying-Hazrat Alt Ibn Abi Talib (a.s.) and the Ahle Bait are quoted, the better. Even though the tradition quoted by Imam Nisaai is quite rhetoric in declaring the equality of the Qur’an and the Ahle Bait not only in status but also obedience. Also, there is such a cohesive bond that they shall not seperate from each other till the Day of Judgement. Allhama Shibli, admits the great role of Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in nurturing and moulding his writing potential yet when one goes through the latter’s works, he can easily find Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal quoting the above discussed tradition in exactly the same way as Imam Nisaai had done.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Not only these traditions, but all others are unanimous in their opinion about the eqality in the status and obedience of the Qur’an and Ahle Bait (a.s.). But our criticism was only aimed at the treatment meted out Hadees-e-Saqlain by Allama Shibli. For, he himself confess to have purposefully omitted the important extra sentences which were found in other books of traditions except Sahih Muslim, and these have been later revealed by all the traditionalists, one after another. These most significant extra sentences are as follows :If you catch hold of both of them tightly you will never go astray after me."For indeed they shall never seperate from each other until and unless they meet me at the fountain, (of Kausar).“Surely Allah will definitely ask you as to how you treated the Book of Allah and my Ahle Bait.”
Allama Shibli has refrained from quoting these sentences because they leave no doubt whatsoever about the equality of the Holy Qur’an and the Ahle Bait from all aspects. Which means that as it is compulsory for us to obey each and every word of the Holy Qur’an, similarly, it is obligatory for us to follow exactly the actions of the progeny of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.).In order to conclude the essay, we would try to avoid the details because, dear readers, when Allama Shibli tried his level best to relate this incident as briefly as possible, how would he be able to bear its details? Ultimately, the Allama did not feel the necessity to refer to the Qur’anic verses or the various traditions when compared to his own rigid faith, teachings and conviction. Whether the divine origins are tampered with or the words of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) are murdered in broad daylight.For him, nothing is worth mentioning or jotting down than his own ideas views. Despite the fact that accordiing to many great and re-nowned Sunni scholars, three Qur’anic verses were revealed on this all important occassion. Our only question to the broad-minded and un-prejudiced reader is; “Is it possible that the a great research scholar like Allama Shibli did not find even one of the sayings from amongst all these traditions related by great Sunni scholars?” No. But because Allama Shibli was a very intelliigent person, he realised that the incident of Ghadeer is the greatest obstacle for his book "Seeratun Nabi’. Therefore, reaching to this point, he became very cautious and wrote each word after exercising a great strain on his mind. Since, it was not possible for him to go into the details of this true and historical incident, he thought it to play very safe either by outright denial of the Qur’anic verses and the Prophetic traditions or by ignoring the incident altogather and putting the faith of the Muslims into a quandry of doubt. So, while conveniently trying to forget the divine verses and the words of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.), it would have still been better for him, had he burnt all his earlier research works and references to leave no marks whatsoever of the entire episode.

If he had not left any of his earlier researches and references none would’ve been able to bring them as evidences against his own writings. But till those references are available to the Islamic world, he will be at the receiving end of perpetual criticism for his insincere approach and no Muslim, possessing an ounce of belief and rationality will even have confidence in his partial jottings.

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The Ghadir event and its significance
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Seventy days before his demise, when Prophet Muhammad

(PBUH&HF)

More than 100,000 companions attended the Ghadeer Khum address.
It took place on the 18th of the Thul Hijja after the “bidding farewell” pilgrimage of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam). The reason the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) made this address at this place was because Allah revealed this verse at Ghadeer Khum: “O Prophet, deliver what has been revealed to you from your Lord; and if you do not do it then you have not delivered His message; and Allah will protect you from the people”.
Therefore, the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) made these announcements: That he was leaving for Muslims two most precious things: ‘One is the Book of Allah; One end of which is in the hands of Allah and the other is in your hands. And the second valuable thing is my descendants’. ‘Allah has informed me that both of these things will never separate from each other till they reach me at the Fountain of Kauthar’.
Taking Ali’s hand and raising it he said, ‘Of whomsoever I am master (mawla), Ali is his master or mawla too’
The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) also said: ‘O Allah, be a friend of his who is a friend of Ali and treat him like a foe he who opposes Ali. Help them who help Ali and abandon them who go against Ali’.
And he said: ‘O my Lord, whichever way Ali turns orient the right in the same direction’

1 was returning to Medina after his last pilgrimage
to Mecca, he reached the pond of Khum Ghadir Khum
near Juhfa. It was the 18 of the month of Dhul-Hijja of
the year 10 AH (March 15, 632 AD). By this time, the
Prophet (PBUH&HF) had conveyed all of the divine
commandments to his nation except for the formal and
explicit public announcement of his divinely appointed
successors as the leaders, guardians, and guides for the
believers for all days to come.
By the order of Allah, the Prophet PBUH&HF) stopped at the
pond of Khum, gathered the crowd of pilgrims, and
delivered his last universal speech. In this sermon, he
presented his last religious instruction which finalized the
last divine religion and made Islam the perfect religion in
the sight of Allah. Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (PBUH)the
fifth Imam and successor of the Prophet PBUH&HF) said:

refers to phrase “peace be upon him and
his family.”

2

“The last obligatory duty that Allah sent down was

  • al-Walaya

*adherence to the guardian assigned by

Allah). Then, He sent down the verse: ‘Today, I
completed your religion…’1 once the Messenger
of Allah established it in Juhfa area.”This message was the most unique in the entire mission of

the Prophet (PBUH&HF) due to the revelation of Verse 67,
Chapter 5 of the Holy Quran before his speech. In this
revelation, Allah warned His Messenger that failing to
deliver this last message would nullify his entire mission.
This unprecedented warning proves that this last message
contained the most important religious commandment of
Allah for the Muslim nation.
Moreover, the contents of this last message were so crucial
to the faith that the Prophet (PBUH&HF) emphatically
required all those who directly or indirectly heard the
sermon of Ghadir Khum to convey it to people who were
not aware of its details, and parents to convey it to their
children for all generations to come. Hence, this sermon
addresses all Muslim generations of the world until the

Day of Judgement. This emphasis naturally implies that

the content of this message has a vital role in the future of
the Muslims, their spiritual health, and their felicity in the
Hereafter.
The main issue that the Prophet PBUH&HF) addressed in his
speech in Ghadir Khum was that Allah appointed Ali Ibn
Abi Talib Walithe master
Mawlathe leader Roman]), and the commander Amir of
all believing men and women, the deputy and the executor
of his affairs WasiRoman]), and his successor *Italic]Khalifa *His
sayings and commands should be preferred over the
opinions of all others in every matter. Obeying him is
obeying Allah, and disobeying him is disobeying Allah.
Whoever follows him (and his sayings) is a believer under
the guardianship of Allah, and whoever turns away from
him (or his sayings) is a disbeliever under the guardianship
of Satan.
Guardianship al-Walaya expresses a bilateral relation
between the guardian and the people. Observing al-Walaya

by people means adhering to the guardian and

acknowledging his authority by heart, tongue, and action.
On the other hand, the action of *al-Walaya *by the guardian
means offering protection from evil, spiritual assistance,
care, support, and guidance for his adherents. A divinely
appointed guardian guards his adherents from
misguidance, spiritual destruction, wrongdoing, and sin as
much as they adhere to him and his commands.
Establishing *al-Walaya *has been the ultimate goal of

religion and the fruit of the entire efforts of Prophet

Muhammad PBUH&HF) during his mission.
One who submits to Allah’s representative and adheres to
him has indeed acknowledged Allah’s authority and
guardianship and is a true monotheist in obeying Allah.
Acknowledging the guardianship of the leaders that Allah
appointed and submitting to them is the greatest pillar of
faith. It safeguards the followers from the wrath and
punishment of Allah. Imam Muhammad al-Baqir PBUH)

said:

“Islam is established by five things: prayer,

charity, fasting, pilgrimage, and al-Walaya

(adhering to the guardians authorized by Allah).

None (among them) was called for as
(emphatically as) *al-Walaya *was called for.
However, people accepted the first four and
abandoned al-Walaya

People who refused to submit to the leaders that Allah
appointed resemble the Satan who refused to submit to the
viceregent of Allah, Adam (PBUH)and consequently,
became an outcast and went under the curse of Allah

al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 18, Hadith 3.

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Good can you tell me who is Allama Shibli, wanna hear from your side. Once you confirm then i will read the article.

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THE DECLARATION ON THE BANK OF GADEER‑I‑KHUM

At the bank of this lake the pilgrim travellers stopped and Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) is supposed to have made a declaration, "whose moula I am, his moula is Ali". In Arabic "Moula" means 'friend'. Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said, "whose friend I am, his friend is Ali. Oh Allaah! Keep friendship with that person who keeps friendship with Ali and be enemy to him, who keeps enmity with Ali". What actually happened here was that a person quarreled with Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu). Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) therefore explained to him and in order to teach everyone else by way of a lesson, said, "whose friend I am, his friend is Ali." This had no bearing at all with the caliphate or the administration or the government. The Jews turned this into a basis of falsehood and said that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had declared Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) as his successor at 'Gadeer‑I‑Khum' and had said, "See, Ali is my caliph" and keeping hand on his shoulder, said "Whose moula I am, his moula is Ali ". The Shias worked extremely hard on this and to prove the meaning of this hadeeth which they rephrased and wrote books propagating that this contains the declaration of caliphate.

It is to be re‑iterated with sorrow that the Shiah youth as well as the common public of the Shiah sect remember their history so well that they repeat it all the time and it is always on their tongues, whereas the Sunni public is totally unaware of their back ground even though it contains the truth.

Sadly, even the elders who are asked about these incidents, do not remember. The result is that whenever a Shiah person narrates this fabricated incident, the people run towards the Masjids to inform what they have heard. It is the duty of our youth to take interest in these religious matters and to keep in mind the basic historic information? There should not be so much ignorance about these incidents . The result of such ignorance is that whenever an opponent attacks, so many people are deprived of belief and faith and they join a deviated community.

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POLITICAL SUCCESSION AFTER THE LAST PROPHET ‑ Rasulullaah (SALLAllaahU ALAYHI WA SALLAM)

This matter is included in the "principle matters" of Shias. It is a basic matter for them. When Deen was completed.? How was the issue of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam's) succession was decided? How was the issue of caliphate decided? One fact is regularly repeated so that it may be remembered is that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), during his last moments, due to acute weakness because of illness, had nominated Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyAllaahu anhu) to lead the prayers in Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam's) absence (4). Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyAllaahu anhu) continued leading the prayers upto the demise of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had not nominated anyone for political succession, but only for leading prayers. This gave an indication and hinted that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) nominated the best of Muslims to lead them in prayer, but it made no political nomination. The reason was that the Ummah itself was left with the choice. Allaah Almighty had, however, informed Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), through Divine revelation, that the Ummah shall not be willing to choose any person, other than Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyAllaahu anhu) (5). That is why Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), on his own, had not taken any step. After the demise of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) said, "Look, prayer (salaat) is the basis of our Deen. For worldly direction, whom do we choose, for our country whom do we choose and for government, whom do we choose"?.After that Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) said that for our world we chose him whom Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) chose for our Deen (6). Prayer relates to Deen and caliphate deals with administrative matters. So, Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) said, "We, for our world, agreed on him, whom Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had agreed for our Deen, and the companions (radhiyAllaahu anhum) unanimously chose Hadhrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (radhiyAllaahu anhu) as their caliph. Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had not appointed anyone as caliph. The reason for this was that if Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had appointed the caliph, no one would have had the courage to object to any matter relating to his caliphate and his administration, if the appointment was made by Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) it would seem as if they were questioning his wisdom. The intention of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) was that if anyone had any objection on any issue, the caliph could be questioned and obliged to answer to the satisfaction of the questioner. You might have heard about the famous incident about Hadhrat Umar (radhiyAllaahu anhu). Once, while wearing a long shirt he was questioned thus "Everyone has only one Yamani sheet, so how did you get two, because this long shirt is made of cloth from more than one sheet." Hadhrat Umar (radhiyAllaahu anhu) pointed towards his son, Hadhrat Abdullah (radhiyAllaahu anhu), who explained that he had given the sheet received by him to his father. Hadhrat Umar (radhiyAllaahu anhu) therefore presented his defence. Why did the occasion arise for defence? Because the appointment of caliph was made by the Ummah and the Ummah had taken the oath of allegiance and therefore had the right to question whom they had chosen. Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) desired that the caliph should be answerable to the Ummah. If Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had appointed the caliph, then the Ummah would not feel comfortable to question him. This was the far sighted philosophy, wisdom and intelligence of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). He left the Ummah in a condition that whoever becomes caliph, has to be answerable to the Ummah.

References.

  1. P15 Shiah scholars admit that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) at his last time, nominated Hadhrat Abu Bakr as Imam in his place (See Nasul Tawarikh, V‑1, from book second, p547. (Sharah Nahajul Balaga, Darah Najfia, p225.

  2. P16 (Sahi Muslim, V‑2, p272). Famous Shiah narrater of hadeeth Mulla Muhammad bin Yaqub Al‑Kulini (328) writes that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said to me that after him (PBUH), the people would take oath of allegiance on Abu Bakr (Furu Kafi Kitab‑ul‑Roza, p160, published Lucknow).

6.P16 Al‑astiab‑ul‑Ibn Abdul Barr Tehtul Asaba, V‑2, p242). (Insab‑ul‑Ashraf Bilazri, V‑1, p587), Riazul Nazrah Lemhub Tabri, V‑1, p249).

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yes, very true and excellent information by khanbabax......
i fully agree with that.

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10,000 muslims were with the Prophet (saw) when he performed the Hajj....

and some people accuse them all of disobeying him and taking Au Bakar (ra) as khalifa instead of Ali (ra)....

what a blasphemy against the noble companions of the Prophet (saw)....
blaming them all, almost all of them, not one or two, but all of those noble souls who lived their lives seeking only the pleasure of Allah, to have turned away from Islam....

what a shameful act indeed!!!!

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Dear brother Salam:

Let see the fact in light of more information, as you said that First Caliph was select directly by Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) during last of his life, so please concentrate on the following paraghraps where it seems that if the selection was done during prophet life, then what was the meaning of selection is Saqifa, where ansars and muharjirs was gather to nominate the caliph.

The modern Sunni scholar Dr Rahim in his simplified analysis of history writes:

“Being informed of the proceedings of the Ansars, Abu Bakr Umar and Abu Ubaidah hastened to the meeting place and were there just in time to interrupt the finalization of the Ansars choice of Sa’d ibn Ubaidah to the successorship of the Prophet. Ali was at that time busy in preparing the coffin of the Prophet, and did not know anything about the meeting of the Ansars to elect a successor”.

While Hadhrath Abu Bakr had put forward the names of Hadhrath Umar and Abu Ubaydah as his choice of successors, they declined, this is what their reply was, as is quoted by the Sunni historian Yaqubi:

*“By God we cannot give preference over you while you are the companion of the Messenger of God and the second of the two [in the cave at the time of the Hijrah]”. Abu Ubaydah put his hand on Abu Bakr’s hand and Umar did the same [in ratifying the bargain]. The Meccans who were with them did the same. Then Abu Ubaydah cried “O people of the Ansar, you were the first to help [the Prophet] so do not be the first to change and convert back to paganism”. Next Abd al-Rahman b. Awf stood up and said, ‘O people of the Ansar, although you do not have among you [anyone] like Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali’. [Thereupon] Mundhir b. al-Aqram stood up saying, 'We do not deny the merits of those you have mentioned. Indeed there is among you a person with whom if he seeks authority, none will dispute ".
Tarikh, by al Yaqubi, Volume 2 page 113-114, quoted from History of Tabari, Volume 9 English translation by Ismail Poonawalla p 193 - 194

What happens next is a proposed compromise by Hubab i.e. that there be two Khalifa, one from the Ansar the other from the Quraysh 1 Hadhrath Umar immediately rejected the proposal:
History of Tabari, English translation, Volume 9 p 194

“How preposterous! Two swords cannot be accommodated in one sheath. By God the Arabs will never accept your rule since their Prophet is not from you, but they will not reject the rule of one from whom is their Prophet. If anyone refuses our authority, we will [produce] a clear rebuttal and an evident proof. Who would dispute us with regard to Muhammad’s authority and rule except the falsely guided one, or the erring one, or the one damned when we are his close associates and kinsfolk”.
History of Tabari, English translation, p 194 see footnote 1347 quoted Tabari Vol 1 p 1841

What we now present to you are Hadhrath Umar’s own commentary of what went on following his rejection of Hubab’s proposal, he is narrating this event to the people during his period as Khalifa:

“Voices rose and clamorous speech waxed hotter. I feared [total] disagreement so I said to Abu Bakr, ‘Stretch out your hand so that I may give you the oath of allegiance’. He did so and I gave [him] the oath of allegiance; the Muhajirun followed and then the Ansar. [In so doing] we jumped on Sa’d b. Ubadah so someone said that we had killed him. I said, '[May] God kill him! By God, nothing was mightier than the rendering of the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr. We feared that if [we] left [without rendering the oath of allegiance], no agreement would be hammered out later. It was either to follow the Ansar in what we did not like, or else to oppose them, which would have led to disorder (fasad)”.
History of Tabari, English translation, Volume 9 p 194

What Hadhrath Umar seems to have forgotten when recollecting the event is the fact that not all those present in the Saqifa gave Bayya to Hadhrath Abu Bakr, and they were adamant that their loyalties lay with another man:

"Umar stood up saying, “Who among you would be agreeable to leave Abu Bakr whom the Prophet gave precedence?” and he gave him the oath of allegiance. The people followed [Umar]. The Ansar said, or some of them said “We will not give the oath of allegiance [to anyone] except Ali”.
History of Tabari, English translation, Volume 9 p 186

The issues raised at the Saqifa

Both sides advanced arguments based on their tribal links to the Prophet (saaws), the three Muhajireen won the day advancing the following arguments as proof of khilafat:

  1. The Muhajireen being a tribe of the Quraysh were the Prophet (saaws)'s close family

  2. The Muhajireen were the first to worship Allah (swt)

  3. No one had experienced greater trials and tribulations that the Muhajireen

  4. Failure to follow the Muhajireen is tantamount to going astray
    To the casual observer these might all sound as quite legitimate strong proofs advanced at the Saqifa, but the reality is that is these criterion are applied having an overview of all the Companions then only one man and his tribe i.e. Hadhrath Ali (as) and Banu Hashim. Let us analyze each of these points:

The Muhajireen being a tribe of the Quraysh were his close family

The argument was that relationship to the Prophet (saaws) meant that khilafat was their right. In terms of closeness there was no tribe more closely related to the Prophet (saaws) than Bani Muttalib. They were the blood descendants of the Prophet (saaws), when the verse “And warn your tribe of near kindred…” (The Qur’an 26: 214) inviting the Prophet (saaws)'s close relatives to embrace Islam. Banu Muttalib were invited not the tribes of Hadhrath Abu Bakr, Hadhrath Umar or Abu Ubaydah.

Furthermore in terms of closeness no one was closer to the Prophet (saaws) than Imam Ali (as) as he was his first cousin, the Prophet (saaws) had declared him to be his brother, the husband of his daughter and the father of his grand children.

Hadhrath Abu Bakr seemed to suggest that the Quraysh had a right to succession, they were related to the Holy Prophet (saaws) and had hence inherited that right. Islamic Law does not stipulate inheritance for the distant relatives, it refers to the close / blood relatives. If the Quraysh were entitled to inherit on grounds of their distant relationship to the Holy Prophet (saaws) did Hadhrath Ali (as) not have a greater right?

The Muhajireen were the first to worship Allah (swt)

Again this is an incorrect argument. The Muhajireen are advancing that they were the first to embrace Islam at the hands of the Prophet (saaws) and hence worship Allah (swt). If worshipping Allah (swt) is the criterion of succession then again Ali (as) wins on this count. If there is any doubt on this point then listen to the words of Ali (as) as contained in Tabari:

“I am the servant of God and the brother of his Messenger, and I am the most righteous one (al siddiq al-akbar). No one other than I can say this but a liar and an inventor of falsehoods, I performed prayer with the Messenger of God seven years before other men”.

Prophet (saaws) had said "I am Warner and Ali is the guide, he (saaws) then turned to Ali and said “Ali people will be guided through you” 1. This argument also holds no water.
Mustadrak, by al Hakim, Vol 3 hadith 129 & 130

‘Letters of Hadrat Ali Mutaza (R.A.A.)’ complied by the Sunni scholar Muhammad Ayub Khan:

"I swear! I hope when Allah will award people will award people in accordance with their service and sanctity to Islam, Allah and His Messenger, the greatest share will be ours, the family of the Holy Prophet (SAW) because we, the family members of the Prophet (SAW) have been first to accept the faith and testify his Prophethood when he invited the people to accept the Faith and believe in Oneness of Allah. Thus in no time we got the exalted and respected position. None of the Arab inhabitants save us worshipped Allah.

Observing this our people conspired to assassinate our Holy Prophet (SAW) and uproot us. Accordingly they hatched deep conspiracies and took many drastic steps (against us). They restrained our movements, withheld our economic activities, exposed us to constant fear and danger, posted spies and guards on us, compelled us to move towards desolate barren mountains, fanned the fore of battle against us and made written agreements between themselves that none should provide us means nor establish matrimonial relations, nor transact any business with us. Nobody should offer us shelter or protection unless we hand over the Messenger oh Allah (SAW) to them for assassination and amputation. We could secure peace during the Hajj days only)

But Allah, the Almighty, bestowed on us the courage to protect and guard the Messenger of Allah (SAW) from the danger of those days, defend him, shoot arrows against enemies to save his honor and draw sword in his support. In this struggle the object of our faithfulness was to gain recompense from Allah only, and those of the infidels, the object was to help their families. It was clear that among Quraish those who had embraced Islam were safe from atrocities, which beset us, because some of them were protected (by their infidel allies) under the previous agreements and others belonged to the tribes, which were their protectors. Therefore, they remained safe from the destruction and killings we suffered. The major succor for us was the Will of Allah.

Then Allah ordained his Prophet (SAW) for migration and thereafter, allowed them to fight against the infidels. During the peak hours of the battles when people wanted to keep themselves safe and the enemy would throw challenge to combat, he (SAW) would advance his family members to meet them. Thus he (SAW) saved his companions from the swords and the spears of the enemy. Consequently Ubaida ibn Haris (RAA) fell martyr in the battle of Badr, Hamza (RAA) in the battle of Uhud, and Jafar and Zaid (RAA) in the battle of Mauta; and if you like I might name another person (meaning himself) who, like these martyrs many a time yearned to earn martyrdom while fighting along with the Prophet (SAW) (in battles). But the death hastened in the case of those martyrs and deferred in my case. Their adoption of virtue was due to Allah’s Kindness and Favor. Thereafter, I neither heard of nor seen any one who excelled those persons whose names I have given to you. For sincerity and obedience to Allah and his Prophet (SAW) none could match them to face hardship in adversity or prosperity, in battles or other occasions of danger in the company of Holy Prophet (SAW) Mohajireen possess many other outstanding qualities and Allah will compensate for their noble deeds.

It is pity that time has so changed that now that man who is neither superior to me nor has any superiority (in Islam) over me, which none possesses except me is rising in opposition.

It is, therefore, not strange that any claimant may claim (for anything) not known to me may claim for anything not known to me or not in my opinion, in the knowledge of Allah. In all circumstances we must praise Allah.

Then you have mentioned my bearing malice against the Caliphs, my late offering of oath of allegiance to them and revolt against them, I seek the refuge of Allah from revolt ( I definitely did not commit it). As regards my late approach for oath of allegiance and disapproval of their Caliphate, it is not for me to offer any apology to people because Allah has already made a decision (on Caliphate) at the time of the passing away of the Holy Prophet (SAW). (That is to say) when the Quraish claimed leadership for their group while the Ansar (local inhabitants of Madinah) for themselves, the latter handed over the Caliphate and government to the emigrants on yielding to their plea that Holy Prophet (SAW) belonged to them, therefore, they were more deserving for the leadership. Consequently when they (emigrants) established their right for Caliphate vis-୶is Ansar on the basis of their relationship with the Holy Prophet (SAW) then one who would be nearer in relationship with the Prophet (SAW) would also be more deserving for that Caliphate. In the absence of this principle the Ansar were more rightful to the Caliphate on the basis of their majority. (Now) I fail to understand whether my companions (the emigrants) have been absolved to the charge of snatching my right or have done injustice to Ansar. But nay I have deduced that my right was snatched and I have abandoned my right in their favor for Allah’s pleasure. May Allah forgive them".
http://www.answering-ansar.org/aDecors/image_ico.gif Al Iqd al Fareed Vol 2, pg 234, by Ibn Rabbih taken from Letters of Hadrat Ali Murtaza (RAA), translated by Muhummud Ayub Khan page 14-20*

Re: BASE OF ALL CONFLICTS, WHAT IS REALITY?

Good job.

One c&p replied by another c&p. None reads and none argues.

Re: BASE OF ALL CONFLICTS, WHAT IS REALITY?

Mawlana Shibli Nu’mani (in Arabic: شبلي نعماني) was an Indian Muslim scholar (1857 - 1914). He collected much material on the life of Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, but could write only first two volumes of the planned book Sirat-un-Nabi. His disciple, Syed Suleman Nadvi, made use of this material and added his own and wrote remaining five volumes of the book after the death of his mentor.
He went to Makkah for the Hajj and there he devoted his time to furthering his studies in Muslim theology, history, philosophy and Sufism from different scholars in Arabia. An orthodox Hanafi Muslim, he was a staunch supporter of the Shari’a and an opponent of the Wahhabi movement.

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Mashallah !!! May Lord Almighty bless you .. Healthy Mind

Re: BASE OF ALL CONFLICTS, WHAT IS REALITY?

u really need to check the authenticity of tabari....
i dont know why u love to cite him always....
sunni scholars definitely do not consider him authentic and some of the most prominent scholars have regarded tabari as among the 'rafida'....

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and with their supposed photographic memories, yet we end up with three disputed version of the same sermon.. which btw I challenge anyone to memorize in ONE hearing. remember u're in a crowd of 10,000 and not all got front row tickets.. and there were no PA systems.

fiction.. fiction and more fiction.. yet we continue fighting over it .. day in and day out.. the reason we don't arrive at any conclusion or concensus is that it's NOT based on REALITY..

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PA: If you read the history of Arab back then.

Those arabs used to be great poets and they used to hold competition on their own memorized poetry. It is recorded in the books that they used to remember things word by word as an orator or the poet used to say.

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Though shia scholars try their best to take Ghadeer as proof of Hz Ali ra's right to succession, the history shows that none of companions ever took the meaning of Maula as successor.

After Rasoolullaah saw, it was first the Ansar who gathered at Saqifa and wanted one from Ansar to be successor(Khalifa), while Muhajirs came later. Apparently none of the people preset in the entire debate ever mentioned Ghadeer as Prophet's saw order to ake Ali ra as Kalifa.

There were handful of people weho went to Ali ra and wanted him to be a successor, none of them too, ever mentioned his right to be a Khalifa based upon Ghadir incident.

And i have not come across any reading where Ali ra himself stated Ghadeer incident as proof of his right to Khilafat.

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DONT BELIEVE IN ANY, USE UR BRAIN WHEN YOU READ THE LINK:
http://www.answers.com/topic/hadith-of-the-pond-of-khumm

ALLAH HAFIZ

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A Rafidhi (a person who rejects the Khilafa of Abu Bakr and Umar) said to him (Al Hasan ibn Hasan), "Did not the Messenger of Allah say to Ali 'If i am Maula of someone , Ali is his Maula?'" He (Al Hasan) replied, "By Allah, if he meant the by that Amirate and rulership, he would have been more explicit to you in expressing that, just as he was explicit to you about the prayer, Zakat and Hajj to the House. He would have said to you, 'Oh people! This is your protector after me.' The Messenger of Allah gave the best good counsel to the people. If the business (of Imamat) had been as you say it is, and Allah and His Messenger had chosen Ali for this matter after the Prophet, then he would have been the person with the gravest error and wrong action since this would mean either that he ignored what the Messenger of Allah commanded him to do, or he would have made excuses to the people for having done so."

(Tabaqat Ibn Sa'd, Volume 5)