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BTW, did the Creator really install the right of blaring loud *edited *My Creator sure didn't and I wouldn't want to hear it.
What did your creator want? To be reduced to the churches?
Btw, dont even bother. The west has long left christianity. The religions of the West today are hedonism and humanism. Christanity has been reduced to a mere illusion.
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^Sharabi you missed the other point; what if there is sick person in the house. What about Haqooq Al-ibaad?
IMO azaans were required in the past because there was no such thing as alarm clock, Why do you think that there is a need for the believer to be called? Why the believer cannot go there by his own will? Can the believer be responsible for there own time? If there is no azaan the believers will not go for prayer?
Your argument about non muslim is totally absurd, don't you think then by your logic all the muslims will loose their right to call in all non muslim countries.
Look! try to comprehend one thing I am not against believer's right to call for prayer, all I am saying is take care of the people living around as well. It should not so loud that the people get irrtated by it.
Above all when the azaans got started there were no load speakers, that can be our rule of thumb. What do you think people used to go for prayers during that time or not.?
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I hope that wasnt directed towards me!
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Btw, dont even bother. The west has long left christianity. The religions of the West today are hedonism and humanism. Christanity has been reduced to a mere illusion.
No, my creator isn't so hung up with tradtions, culture and customs as being a necessary part of religion. And what does your dig at Christianity have to do with this subject anyway?
And dont be so quick to dismiss Christians. I know Christians who practice their faith in a way that would shame many who claim to be following the 'true path'.
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Curious, are opinions about loud, blaring speakers on par with opinions such as "Christanity has been reduced to a mere illusion."
Seems as if tolerance is a relative term when one can't express an opinion about blaring speakers but one can designate a religion as an 'illusion'.
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What about it? Azaan is not torturing someone. Its only torture for the shayateen, as it is the hadith that they run away and disperse when Azaan is called out.
Azaan and Salaah are cure for the soul and the body, and sickness only emerges when you deviate from that which is right.
Well in your opinion a great part of Islam should be dispensed with, since it is all something of the past. Hence your opinion doesn't count.
Believers do go to Salaah out of their own free will, no one makes anyone pray at gun point. Its just that Azaan is a formal way of announcing that it is time for prayer and a congregation is about to set up at that place.
All I said is that the azaan on the loudspeaker is something that is common in muslim countries, and the non muslim knew about it when they moved down here. They certainly didn't have an issue with it then. Its like Arabia's hot weather...now that's an issue too, but certainly nothing can be done about it. Azaan's pretty much similar.
If you look into it, the callers back then...would take all possible measures to call out the azaan as loud as they can and make sure that the voice reaches as far as possible.
Now that's the rule of thumb in this case.
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Well I'm not the devil but if I had to listen to that all the time it would be torture. Just like US gov't uses loud rock music to torture Muslim detainees.
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All I said is that the azaan on the loudspeaker is something that is common in muslim countries, and the non muslim knew about it when they moved down here. They certainly didn't have an issue with it then. Its like Arabia's hot weather...now that's an issue too, but certainly nothing can be done about it. Azaan's pretty much similar.
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Azaan is as unchangeable as the weather? Hardly.
Your assumption that any "Muslim" country where they have azaan is void of non-Muslims other than immigrants is false. There are many countries with sizable non-Muslim population that were born there and are as much citizens with rights as Muslims.
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azan on loudspeakers is not a requirement.
just like those church bells sundays are not a requirement.
I dont have an issue with not having those..I mean masjids in thw ewest do allright without having the azaan from the loud speakers.
ppl havr wrist eacthes and know what time prayer is, the only time the azaan is actually helpful is if you are in a new area and dont know if there is a masjid closeby. with the widespread use of cellphones and ability to get dir assictance, directions, even that is not a must have.
I can understand the non muslims in a muslim majority country, they have to live with that because the majority wants it, and thats just the way it is and part of society now.
I mean I get annoyed at all the nativity scenes and those christmad carol folks going door to door...luckily, in my new neighbouthood it does not happen much plus I think more and more ppl are just not into all that anymore.
Its one of those things, if it bothers me so much, I can start some sort of campaign against this stuff or live with it. I have decided that it bothers me but not enough that I would start some campaign against it...plus I am lazy.
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Azaan and Salaah are cure for the soul and the body, and sickness only emerges when you deviate from that which is right. .
Really! Then why dont muslim doctors prescribe Azan on ipods for people who are sick?
All I said is that the azaan on the loudspeaker is something that is common in muslim countries, and the non muslim knew about it when they moved down here. They certainly didn't have an issue with it then. Its like Arabia's hot weather...now that's an issue too, but certainly nothing can be done about it. Azaan's pretty much similar. .
What about the people who have always lived there but never converted. Moreover weather cant be controlled by humans or else they would have already done a lot in that regard.... the azan on loud speakers by humans can.:)
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I think the use of loadspeaker should be banned particularly for Azan and Khutba.
I have seen Tableeghee Jumaat people dont use the loadspeaker and I find them the best Muslims on God's earth.
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Prove it. Are you saying a real muslim can sit in front of a loud speaker and listen to it with out any ear damage. It can be torture for anybody and it has nothing to do with you "Imaan", it depends on your proximity and the magnitude of sound.
Give hadees also where it states that artificial means to magnify the sound is aloud.
Your opinion, study, research or suni sunai baat. Without reference means nothing, zilch, zero, nada.
You pressume too much.
Assumptions, presumptions and suppositions is all you have. What about the people who were born in Pakistan should they move out also. That to me is very subtle way of ethnic cleansing.
Reference? I am sure that was without any artifiticial means. If you can prove otherwise, be my guest.
Use common sense for a change. If we go to your "as loud as" possible with artificial means you can literally blow the ears off now a days.
First lets see your references where it states clearly (no interpretations) that you can call for prayer as loud as you can without the consideration for the people living around. And this was the classic if they get irritated they are shayateen.
Any kind of loud sound be it music, church bell, mandir ghanta, alarm clock or adhaan which is too loud from a certain decibal should be not allowed. This you can call a rule of thumb.
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I think its a civic problem and religion has nothing to do with it. Firstly, Its the failure of the local governments to first allow Masjids so close (I mean few feet) to residential areas. There are laws in Pakistan governing what and where one can establish a masjid and it should fulfill certain standard. As the case with other civic laws, the local and provincial governents even the entities like CDA and cantonments fail to implement these laws. Any influential person in Pakistan can go ahead and declare a certain property a Masjid, and the people around it would virtually start to suffer the consequences.
Secondly its not the azan or call for prayer which people are so opposed too, its the use of loud speakers in between the prayers, that are so annoying. There are laws on books in Pakistan for the these particular cases, but most of the times the people implementing these rules either forget to implement them, or when they are implementing these rules they chose the wrong time or technique.
One of the best ways to stop this is through the masjid it self, there are many, I mean a majority who would agree with you if you raise this point after jaummah or after a prayer, but the difficult part is that those who object about the azan and the stuff in-between the azan hardly come to the masjid.
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Thanks God you understand what I was trying to say for last 2 days.
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was there any device used for azan purposes during the prophet's time?
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I don't know about the device but I remember reading that Hazrat Bilal habshi used to give azaan on the roof of masji-e-nabwi, he was one of the sahabah with the most heavy voice and at that time madina wasn't that big of a city that they would need an equipment.
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Beside if people cannot hear azan then what is it's purpose? The main purpose of Azan is to call people from close and far for namaz, to ask them to leave whatever they are doing and come for salat.
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All the things we are using today were not there at the at the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, so maybe we should leave everything and only use the things that were used by him or during his time.
Instead of travelling on cars, planes, and trains we should use camels, throw your cell phone and regular phone away, instead use a messanger to convey your message…and so on so forth…
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The assumption is that there would be only one mosque in a large area, which in the case of Pakistan is not true. A neighbourhood usually has several mosques so what is required at the most is a small amplification system not huge loud speakers. This is besides the Azaan being broadcast on State Television and Radio and the availability of Azan clocks.
However, as someone pointed out the point is not about silencing the azaan but rather what goes on in between azaan times. There are so many stories of inflammatory comments from one mosque directed at another to the point that “gaalian” were used.
One particular tale I’ll write here. People from Islamabad must have heard the story of a mosque in Karachi Company which was blasting naats from its loudspeakers in between Azaans during Ramadan. Suddenly, the naats stopped and Indian songs started playing, when people rushed to the mosque they found the door locked. When they finally got inside, they found a tape recorder placed under the mike. Apparently Moulvi Sahin had forgotten that the naats in the cassette were recorded over Indian movie songs. I don’t know if this true or not, but I have heard it from many people.
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Yes, there should be proper rules and regulation to avoid unpleasent circumstances.
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However, as someone pointed out the point is not about silencing the azaan but rather what goes on in between azaan times. There are so many stories of inflammatory comments from one mosque directed at another to the point that "gaalian" were used.
One particular tale I'll write here. People from Islamabad must have heard the story of a mosque in Karachi Company which was blasting naats from its loudspeakers in between Azaans during Ramadan. Suddenly, the naats stopped and Indian songs started playing, when people rushed to the mosque they found the door locked. When they finally got inside, they found a tape recorder placed under the mike. Apparently Moulvi Sahin had forgotten that the naats in the cassette were recorded over Indian movie songs. I don't know if this true or not, but I have heard it from many people.
"those" people deserve to be embarrased... that mosque in Karachi is notorious to keep awake for hours late into night................ Loud speakers should be banned to be used!!!!!