Bangladesh has banned publications by the minority Ahmadiyya movement amid demands from Islamic hardliners that it be declared non-Muslim.
The Religious Affairs Ministry took the decision late on Thursday, with the ban beginning on Friday.
A 5,000-strong rally marched to an Ahmadiyya mosque in the capital Dhaka on Friday to denounce the movement.
The Ahmadiyyas, who number 100,000 in Bangladesh, do not believe Mohammed was necessarily the last prophet.
The government said it was banning the publication, sale, distribution and preservation of all books and booklets on Islam published by the Ahmadiyya in Bangladesh.
A home ministry statement said the ban “was imposed in view of objectionable materials in such publications that hurt or might hurt the sentiments of the majority Muslim population of Bangladesh”.
**The BBC’s Waliur Rahman in Dhaka says the ban is believed by many to be the first step towards declaring the 100,000 Ahmadiyyas - also known as Kadiyanis - non-Muslim. **
Call a cat a cat, the ahmadiyyah movement is clearly outside the fold of islam, by declaring such issues as no jihad and also claiming prophethood after muhammad(saw) what do they expect other than being labelled non muslim.
Yeah, but I thought Islam was a religion of tolerance, OK, go ahead and brand them non-muslim, but don't suppress their freedom to practice what they believe. Oppression is worse than murder according to the Quran.
When you claim prophethood after muhammad(saw) you expect people to just ignore that, thats not gonna happen.
And this problem is major issue in the middle of muslim lands. To say these kind of things like no jihad and claiming prophethood after muhammad(saW) in reality you know what to expect, its like someone slapped your parents you would be very angry and insulted too.
As for oppression, people should not be oppressed for this at all but they must be curtailed from spreading this idea that ahamdiyah is islamic.
Is your faith so week that a mere 100,000 people who don't believe in what you believe causes you to be insulted and threatened? God says that you shall not insult anyone elses religion and that there is no compulsion in religion, so as a true Muslim, our job is to give them the true message and then leave the rest to God, we can not force them to believe in what we believe and we can not prevent them from their beliefs, that is the definition of oppression.
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Is your faith so week that a mere 100,000 people who don't believe in what you believe causes you to be insulted and threatened? God says that you shall not insult anyone elses religion and that there is no compulsion in religion, so as a true Muslim, our job is to give them the true message and then leave the rest to God, we can not force them to believe in what we believe and we can not prevent them from their beliefs, that is the definition of oppression.
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My faith is very strong alhamdulilah i don't feel threatned by ahmadhi and i don't fear hindu, american or anyone at all.
You are right they should be given true message and not be forced. I did'nt say anything different to this.
My point was they cannot be classed as muslims when they clearly claim new prophethood amoung other issues.
A muslim has something called the aqeedah and these are a number of core beliefs one of the most obvious ones is muhammad(saW) is prophet of allah and there is no prophet after him. Its very basic and it should be obvious to everyone.
I thought, to be a muslim all one has to believe in the following:
Allah is one and there is none worthy of worship excep Allah
Muhammad (saw) is his prophet and he is ‘Khatam-un-nabiyyeen’
Belief in all the rest of the prophets sent by Allah
Belief in ‘Malaika’ (Angels)
Belief in all the books sent by Allah to His people.
Belief in the day of judgement
Pls remember that Ahmadis do believe in the ‘Khatamiyyat’ of Anhuzur (saw), although they take the meaning of his ‘khatamiyyat’ different to what other muslims do. Please look at the following thread to understand why Ahmadis’ understanding of ‘khatamiyyat’ is different from rest of the muslims:
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seminole a little more thought was needed on this one.
Just to point out the very obvious difference you seemed to have missed we have no interest in calling ourselves christians!
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What would you call a person who says that:
I believe in the One God without a partner and in the Kalima, La Illah Ill-Allah. I believe in the Book of God, the Quran, in His Messenger Muhammad (peace on him and God's blessings) the Khatam Al-Anbiya. I believe in angels, the resurrection, hell and paradise. I observe the prescribed prayers and the fast. I turn to the Qibla for prayers and forbid ourselves what is forbidden by God and His Prophet and permit myself what is permitted. I add not a thing to the Sharia, nor subtract any thing from it. The Sharia is above change. Whatever has come down to me from the Holy Prophet (on whom peace and God's blessings), all that I accept, whether I understand or not and whether I can unravel its secrets and real meaning or not.
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seminole a little more thought was needed on this one.
Just to point out the very obvious difference you seemed to have missed we have no interest in calling ourselves christians!
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This highlights what I see as a failure in many of these posts. What difference is it what someone calls himself? Such literal and myopic thoughts are not limited to this topic however. It is fine to worship a prophet, to say that the earth was made for him, imitate everything he did from brushing his teeth to how he talked, as long as you don't call him the son of God. But you don't worship him, right? Try to think outside the box (put a little more thought into it).
I am not ahmedi and have no plans to become ahmedi since madhanee will not give me the promised mercedes e-class he had promised. But why declare them non muslim, let them do what they want...because this buck is not going to stop here, different sects are hell bent on declaring each other non muslim anyways.
We jump up and down when govt of france decides to not allow hijab, but we cant feel empathy when some other country decides to not let soemone call themselves muslim.
Let them be, Live and let live. You dont have to believe in what they believe in, you dont have to follow what they follow..but let them mind their business, and mind your own business.
I believe in the One God without a partner and in the Kalima, La Illah Ill-Allah. I believe in the Book of God, the Quran, in His Messenger Muhammad (peace on him and God's blessings) the Khatam Al-Anbiya. I believe in angels, the resurrection, hell and paradise. I observe the prescribed prayers and the fast. I turn to the Qibla for prayers and forbid ourselves what is forbidden by God and His Prophet and permit myself what is permitted. I add not a thing to the Sharia, nor subtract any thing from it. The Sharia is above change. Whatever has come down to me from the Holy Prophet (on whom peace and God's blessings), all that I accept, whether I understand or not and whether I can unravel its secrets and real meaning or not.
Would you call him a kafir?
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Does this person belive muhammad(saw) is final prophet from allah
And does this person belive in concept of jihad or not!
and finally Bangledesh may not be part of the G7 but they would not be seeking a ban for no reason.
Yes, he believes that Huzur (saw) is final (law-bearing) prophet from Allah.
Where is it written that jihad is among the core principles of Islam and you have to believe in it, otherwise you’ll fall out of the fold of Islam. And btw, which jihad are you talking about. jihad of usama bin laden, or jihad of saddam hussain against iran? Or jihad of muslim extremists against pakistani govt? Or jihad of Parves Musharraf against muslim extremists. Do you believe is such jihads?
If you need to know what Ahmadi’s concept of jihad is, please check out the following link.
Bangladesh is one of the many countries contemplating such decisions. I suspect Indonesia to be next, followed by some of the recently freed central Asian countries.
It seems like success for the mob minded Mullah but there is another side to the story, which clearly shows that the Ahmadiyya Muslim jama’at is progressing in an alarmingly fast rate and that these religious bigots can’t help but to get jealous and find ways to stop it! And time will tell the story again that they will never succeed! Ahmadiyyat has flourished in the past and continue to do so, regardless of bans and declarations.
For the Muslim community of Bangladesh & the world in general, the incident shows their spiral decline, where things will get much worse before they will get any better.
For Bengali Ahmadis it’s a time of trial and tribulations and may Allah be with them, and they may continue to pray for their nation while being persecuted and show the world the true spirit of Islam!