Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
Yes, keep talking. At the end of the Jamat is still going to be illegal in Bangladesh, and Morsi and his Muslim league are still out of power…
Kya kura gah? 
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
behaving like a demented cheerleader as people are killed in Bangladesh and Egypt is rather sick.
your celebrations are premature Islam is not going anywhere it is your extreme brand of secularism which has to use physical violence just to stay in power which has to worry its days are coming to an end tick tock the clock is ticking.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
....which has to worry its days are coming to an end tick tock the clock is ticking.
Is the clock made in Switzerland?
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
Err NO.. If they had ‘good support’ they would obviously have done better in elections..
‘Its popularity has decreased and in 2008, it won only five of 300 seats in Parliament. In 2010 the government, led by the Awami League, began prosecution of war crimes committed during the 1971 war under the International Crimes Tribunal; by 2012, two leaders of the BNP and eight of Jamaat had been charged with war crimes. By March 2013, three Jamaat leaders had been convicted of crimes. In response, the Jamaat has held major strikes and violent protests across the country, which have led to more than 60 deaths (mostly by security forces)[SUP][12]](Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami - Wikipedia)[/SUP] and a mass destruction of public and national properties.’
Source: Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami - Wikipedia
They have support in rural areas but in towns and cities they tend to be seen as the lunatic fringe.. In Dhaka especially people think of them as extreme..
I visit Bangladesh every year and there’s been a massive change in attitudes towards religion and traditional culture since I was small.. It’s not even considered strange to not cover your head during the azan in Dhaka anymore.. I would say only about 50% of the women I saw bothered with it.. Religion is seen as much more of a personal thing nowadays..
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
I visit Bangladesh every year and there's been a massive change in attitudes towards religion and traditional culture since I was small..
visiting and actually living their is 2 different things altogether.
you cannot comprehend what the country and its society is all about from a 2 week summer holiday
but a person living for lets say 10 years solid in a country will know a-z to what is happening.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
behaving like a demented cheerleader as people are killed in Bangladesh and Egypt is rather sick.
your celebrations are premature Islam is not going anywhere it is your extreme brand of secularism which has to use physical violence just to stay in power which has to worry its days are coming to an end tick tock the clock is ticking.
Im not talking about Islam, im talking about the pseudo Muslims.
When they win, we will talk. For now, im happy to see you cry over the failure of your poor pathetic pseudo- Islamic brothers.
Keep crying... More of these extremists are going to get the boot.. clock is ticking on their stupidity .. :)
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
visiting and actually living their is 2 different things altogether.
you cannot comprehend what the country and its society is all about from a 2 week summer holiday
but a person living for lets say 10 years solid in a country will know a-z to what is happening.
Pakistanis have been living in Pakistan all their life, and many are still clueless as to whats going on in their country.
People only know as much as their govt tells them, their level and quality of education, their degree of exposure to and availability of information, and the willingness to find out for themselves.
Often, its the people outside of the country who are far more knowledgeable then those living in. As Pakistani Americans for example, we have access to libraries with info on Pakistan going back to its birth. My local college library has ever issue off "Chronicles of Pakistan" from as far back as the 1950's. I dont think the average Pakistani living in Pak has such access unless he actively searches for it. And even then it may be difficult to find, as libraries are few and far between.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
Pakistanis have been living in Pakistan all their life, and many are still clueless as to whats going on in their country.
People only know as much as their govt tells them, their level and quality of education, their degree of exposure to and availability of information, and the willingness to find out for themselves.
Often, its the people outside of the country who are far more knowledgeable then those living in. As Pakistani Americans for example, we have access to libraries with info on Pakistan going back to its birth. My local college library has ever issue off "Chronicles of Pakistan" from as far back as the 1950's. I dont think the average Pakistani living in Pak has such access unless he actively searches for it. And even then it may be difficult to find, as libraries are few and far between.
This is a ridiculous assumption, how can you generalise the entire population of pakistan and say they have no clue what is going on in their country.
the 2 most popular conversations in pakistan are state of nation i.e politics
and cricket.
If you look at recent US invasions they don't just read a book about a countries history and go in, they hire locals, experts from the country and people who know what is where.
A foreign born pakistani going to pakistan will be headless chicken they will not know society and what makes it tick better than a local, no chance.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
^ I visit Bangladesh about 3 times** a year.. **
Obviously if most women in the street don't cover their hair and aren't even asked to cover during azan that's an indication of how religious that particular society is and I used actual facts about the election to back up what I was saying about the popularity of that Islamic party..
A party with 'good support' does not perform that poorly..
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
bengali huh ? 
Hum ko mosli khilao..
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
maach not mosli -__-
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
Gonga Prosad
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
This is a ridiculous assumption, how can you generalise the entire population of pakistan and say they have no clue what is going on in their country.
the 2 most popular conversations in pakistan are state of nation i.e politics and cricket.
If you look at recent US invasions they don't just read a book about a countries history and go in, they hire locals, experts from the country and people who know what is where.
A foreign born pakistani going to pakistan will be headless chicken they will not know society and what makes it tick better than a local, no chance.
This isnt an assumption, this is may experience. Unbiased and quality literature on history, on current events has been difficult in Pakistan. Its changing somewhat with the help of the internet but consider how many people have access to the internet, and of those who do, consider the power outages, and what of the fact that nearly 50 percent of the country is illiterate completely or at least partially.
Conversation isnt a means of dispensing knowledge. Just because people talk about a subject, doent mean they know what they are talking about, nor does it mean the listener is any wiser. The credibility of the source is as important as the fact that the source has a mouth to speak with.
Local culture, local traditions, these things locals do know. What the locals dont necessarily know is about historical trends. Why? Because most people dont go out to study such trends. Such people are passive observers, they arent there to document or study such things. A farmer in a punjab village isnt concerned with how society is changing in Lahore, let alone across Pakistan. But there are people who DO document such things. For example, I have the Punjab gazette from Jhelum dating back to 1920's, in which the area is extensively documented, yet most Pakistanis would have difficult time finding such a resource, and certainly no local could teach me as much of the history of the region in such detail as the gazette could.
A foreign born Pakistani obviously would have a difficult time with the culture. however, as far a history of the area, pertinent demographics, social trends, regional issues, such things a foreign Pakistani would know and has access to such info. Hell, in today's world, with Google maps etc, I often find I know more about an area and where to go then many of the locals...
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
behaving like a demented cheerleader as people are killed in Bangladesh and Egypt is rather sick.
your celebrations are premature Islam is not going anywhere it is your extreme brand of secularism which has to use physical violence just to stay in power which has to worry its days are coming to an end tick tock the clock is ticking.
I don't understand one thing.
I can feel how you guys (and to some extent me as well) feel about 'western powers'. They have been ruthless and have done some very evil things, for their own good and which hurt a lot of other developing nations. I agree with that.
What I do not understand is why not try and improve ourselves to compete with 'them' rather than praying to God for 'their' destruction? Why do we always have to try and win a race by trying to bring down the 'enemy' rather than getting ourselves up and competing hard? This is what Japan did after the world war and now we cannot have any major resolution passed in the UN without a nod from Japanese.
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I have heard people say the Bengali Hilsa fish is exceptionally good. Wouldnt mind trying it some day.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
ilish maach! its an awesome oily fish, man. funny thing is the same exact fish is found in the indus and eaten by sindhis, it is called palla there, but pakistanis overall dont seem to really know much about it.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
If banning political parties over difference of ideology in a democratic country can be stupidly labelled 'progress', wouldn't be wonderful if Europeans start banning their extreme right/neo Nazis/socialists/communist parties? How about likes of Britain bans racists organization EDL/BNP, after all fascism has no place in British politics. So really people who are preaching about tolerance need to actually study what tolerance really means, at least in socalled democratic politics.
Totally banning something is never the right answer. Today you ban one thing, tomorrow you find something else to ban. Can you imagine if Pakistan tries to ban MQM? Afterall they responsible for causing a lot of bloodshed, unrest and political and ethical intolerance in Pakistan's biggest city? Banning political parties is simply a very dangerous and totally wrong precedent. The very same people who are cheering for this idiotic move would've been screaming blue murder if a religious party was behind banning a seemingly 'secular' organization. Sorry but swapping one type of intolerance with another doesn't make things any better, intolerance is intolerance no matter what the label says on the tin. With such double standards, people really have no moral high ground to tell others what is right and what is wrong?
If JI members are involved in war crimes, how about the state deals with the according to the law. Sentence each and every single member of JI if they're found guilty, even if it means putting 90% of JI members behind the bars. Other than that, let the voters use their democratic right, their freedom and liberties to vote for any party they like. Secularism is not an open war against religion, anyone who says otherwise, really has no clue what he or she's talking about.
I honestly don't understand why these young, battered, struggling democracies are so desperate to start running before they even learn to walk?
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
If banning political parties over difference of ideology in a democratic country can be stupidly labelled 'progress', wouldn't be wonderful if Europeans start banning their extreme right/neo Nazis/socialists/communist parties? How about likes of Britain bans racists organization EDL/BNP, after all fascism has no place in British politics. So really people who are preaching about tolerance need to actually study what tolerance really means, at least in socalled democratic politics.
Totally banning something is never the right answer. Today you ban one thing, tomorrow you find something else to ban. Can you imagine if Pakistan tries to ban MQM? Afterall they responsible for causing a lot of bloodshed, unrest and political and ethical intolerance in Pakistan's biggest city? Banning political parties is simply a very dangerous and totally wrong precedent. The very same people who are cheering for this idiotic move would've been screaming blue murder if a religious party was behind banning a seemingly 'secular' organization. Sorry but swapping one type of intolerance with another doesn't make things any better, intolerance is intolerance no matter what the label says on the tin. With such double standards, people really have no moral high ground to tell others what is right and what is wrong?
If JI members are involved in war crimes, how about the state deals with the according to the law. Sentence each and every single member of JI if they're found guilty, even if it means putting 90% of JI members behind the bars. Other than that, let the voters use their democratic right, their freedom and liberties to vote for any party they like. Secularism is not an open war against religion, anyone who says otherwise, really has no clue what he or she's talking about.
I honestly don't understand why these young, battered, struggling democracies are so desperate to start running before they even learn to walk?
probably not a good idea, but I wont be losing any sleep over the Jamaat suddenly being left out in the cold.
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Sadly poor Pakistanis will lose lot more than just sleep if JUI becomes another 'banned' organization like TTP.
People of Pakistan have already left religious parties in cold, they've never been elected into power and last time I checked, a former playboy was ruling the most conservative province of the country. So Pakistan for a young democracy is doing fine.
Re: Bangladesh declares Jamaat-i-Islami illegal
Sadly poor Pakistanis will lose lot more than just sleep if JUI becomes another 'banned' organization like TTP.
People of Pakistan have already left religious parties in cold, they've never been elected into power and last time I checked, a former playboy was ruling the most conservative province of the country. So Pakistan for a young democracy is doing fine.
JUI is just the starkest representation of religiosity in the country. All the other parties are in their own way, equally "religious" and espouse equally regressive policies. The JUI in Pak doesnt need to be banned as it doesnt contradict the constitution as the one in Bangladesh supposedly does. The policies of the JUI in Pakistan are in lockstep with the constitution. In fact, if Pakistan's Constitution is to be the barometer to determine the validity of a party, then the JUI are the last to be banned.