Now that Facebook/Youtube/Wiki are banned, we have a useful precedent set for us. People should advocate the banning of sites we find offensive. Unforunately for us, one of the biggest sites that gives access to bad material is Google. It allows us to enter the search query “Muhammad pictures”](Google) which gives access to more than 13 million sites that host or discuss the Prophet’s pictures.
Some of you may argue yes but Google is not hosting it, but consider this. Google allows you to enter the query in the first place. If 75,000 Muslims ask it, should google simply filter this query?
But to the broader point that the sites are not hosted on google. Well they’re hosted on the internet. Why not ban that? What basis is there for calling for a ban on facebook but not internet?
This is a challenge to those who argue for the banning of Facebook/Youtube/Wikipedia. I will prove that I can apply that principle to the extent that you will not have a thing called Internet, atleast in the way it is understood. Debate if you can.
Its sad that this is happening. I think we are responsible for promoting such sites and images. A 16 year old drugged kid from western Europe starts a campaign to defame Prophet Mohammed. No one cares about it till 20 million Muslims from around the word start protesting about it and now the whole world knows and that punk ass kid and his stupid campaign become the banner of freedom of speech.
We are the culprits, we are the ones defaming our own Prophet by promoting these sites. They say that negative promotion is positive promotion. We are helping these morons more than their own people helping them.
I remember no one knew about the name of prophet written on a picture of Pig till our muslim brother started sending each other mass emails with that picture attached. I want to ask you, who is going t o get gunnah of exposing that degrading picture of Prophet? The one who drew it or the one who mass emailed it to 1000s and 1000s of muslims?
Its sad that this is happening. I think we are responsible for promoting such sites and images. A 16 year old drugged kid from western Europe starts a campaign to defame Prophet Mohammed. No one cares about it till 20 million Muslims from around the word start protesting about it and now the whole world knows and that punk ass kid and his stupid campaign become the banner of freedom of speech.
We are the culprits, we are the ones defaming our own Prophet by promoting these sites. They say that negative promotion is positive promotion. We are helping thses morons more than there own people helping them.
I remember no one new about the name of prophet written on a picture of Pig till our muslim brother started sending each other mass emails with that picture attached. I wasnt to ask you, who is going t o get gunnah of exposing that degrading picture of Prophet? The one who drew it or the one who mass emailed it to 1000s and 1000s of muslims?
So you're in the favour of the ban on internet altogether?
its a rather outrageous and tired argument ravage and often comes when someone is not able to defend something which is then extrapolated to otehr things which CAN be defended.
Like when you tell a person not to smoke in a gathering, he come up with, why dont you ban the automobiles.
I also dont think that its about protecting Prophet pbuh, its about askign people to respect your sentiment, is there anythign wrong with it? If a black man asks to block a KKK website, does he want being treated like babies?
I expect from social networking sites to respect sentiments of people by not allowing insults of religious figures, not only for myself being a msulim but also for people for all religions, be it christians, jews, buddhist etc. Is it being childish?
we teach our kids to "ignore" kid who is bothering them and move one. If they complain, wag and cry, that other kid try to bother you more. I hope we can apply this to our life too.
Burning own shops and Taxis will take us no where. I wonder how many of the angry Muslims will try to get more education now so they can invent something better than internet or even facebook..... my guess? probably no one.
Who filed cases against facebook, youtube and wiki? The courts/PTA can take suo moto notice.
I don't know, as I said, they're just taking the measures to stop people from coming on roads etc, people were probably mad at these particular sites the most because they didn't delete those pages after so many reports.
we should condemn the babies for their behavior then.
Yeah, TLK already condemned the Eastern Babies. :D
re: Iconolcast: you see, if someone said why dont you ban automobiles, you could presumably point out the flaw in his argument. I dont believe you will be in mine. lets see your attempt.
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I also dont think that its about protecting Prophet pbuh, its about askign people to respect your sentiment, is there anythign wrong with it? If a black man asks to block a KKK website, does he want being treated like babies?
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If a black man tried to get a KKK website blocked he'd fail. There are innumerable KKK websites. If black men rioted, burnt black owned shops, killed black people because of KKK websites, they would be characterised as babies. If people took decisions based on the idea that oh no if we dont do this black men will kill each other, it would be tantamount to treating black people as babies.
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I expect from social networking sites to respect sentiments of people by not allowing insults of religious figures, not only for myself being a msulim but also for people for all religions, be it christians, jews, buddhist etc. Is it being childish?
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Not just social networking sites remember. It now applies to youtube (a video hosting site) and wikipedia (an online information repository). So without saying whether or not you're childish in your request Im asking you to draw a distinction between your opposition to this and your lack of opposition to Google and the Internet in general.
So you're in the favour of the ban on internet altogether?
Should we ban DVD players in Pakistan cause we can rent porno movies and watch them? Kids send each other obscene text messages and cell phone camera pictures of their body parts. SHould we ban cell phone in Pakistan?
Technology is not issue, use of that technology is the issue.
No one controls internet so banning internet is only going to deprive people of some good technology.
Someone owns FB, so banning FB is going to send the owners of Facebook a strong message about the sentiments of Pakistani People .. so I am all for the ban of FB. I know that people can still use proxy to access FB but that is not the point, point is to send a message to these morons that Paki Govt is able to send.
I don't know, as I said, they're just taking the measures to stop people from coming on roads etc, people were probably mad at these particular sites the most because they didn't delete those pages after so many reports.
Doesnt explain the wikipedia/youtube bans, they werent on the horizon.
At any rate it should be made clear then. We are doing this as a public safety measure. Otherwise we're sending the wrong message.
No one controls internet so banning internet is only going to deprive people of some good technology.
Someone owns FB, so banning FB is going to send the owners of Facebook a strong message about the sentiments of Pakistani People .. so I am all for the ban of FB. I know that people can still use proxy to access FB but that is not the point, point is to send a message to these morons that Paki Govt is able to send.
Someone does own google. Google allows the search query "Muhammad Pictures" (i could add various derogatory names next to the Prophet in the search query) .. but it doesnt filter it. Do you want to ban google?
I expect from social networking sites to respect sentiments of people by not allowing insults of religious figures, not only for myself being a msulim but also for people for all religions, be it christians, jews, buddhist etc. Is it being childish?
Bhai, what if they don't?
Are we going be acting mqm on world stage all the time?
Can we not strive to be more in control, in rather graceful way?
A kid or cartoonist brining whole umma to its knees?
Does not matter how painful it is for us, but we just can't show our weak side to ill-willed ppl.
That not how you win. ----> trust me on this one!!