BALUCH RESISTANCE...WHO ARE THEY??INDIAN TRAINED TERRORISTS...A REPORT.

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Sunday, January 08, 2006

Navy launches burnt in Gwadar

GWADAR: Suspected militants set fire to three launches of the Pakistan Navy’s submarine force at the Fish Harbour in Gwadar on Saturday. No loss of life was reported. Police registered a case against the unknown militants and raided several places to arrest them.

Meanwhile, fishermen staged a sit-in protest against security forces for damaging dozens of their boats. Local officials said the administration had fixed a schedule for fishermen to catch fish but they had violated the rules so “the administration took action against them”. online

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\01\08\story_8-1-2006_pg1_5

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Mr Musharraf said there were “a lot of indications” of Indian involvement in Baluchistan, including “financial support, support in kind being given to those who are anti-government, anti-me and to those feudal people who are anti-national”. Pakistan’s military ruler also said he was disappointed at the lack of progress in the peace process and complained that there was “not much” response from India to his ideas for resolving the Kashmir issue.

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New Delhi, which denies involvement in Baluchistan, regards such claims as a ploy to legitimise terrorist activity by allegedly-Pakistan-backed Kashmiri militants operating in India.

“Which Pakistani ruler has not held this view?” Pranab Mukherjee, India’s defence minister, yesterday told the FT. “Pakistan’s approach to Kashmir has more or less remained the same over the years whether it’s under a democratic or a military set-up.” Navtej Sarna, the Indian foreign minister’s spokesman, added: “As far as any allegations about India’s interference in Baluchistan are concerned, I would like to categorically reject these allegations as being utterly baseless and false.”

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Another Pipeline was blown today…

Pakistan tribal leader denies Indian support Thu Jan 12, 3:18 AM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060112/wl_sthasia_afp/indiapakistanunrestsouthwest_060112081806

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NEW DELHI (AFP) - Pakistan’s powerful tribal chieftain Nawab Akbar Bugti has denied claims by President Pervez Musharraf that his group is being supported by New Delhi, an Indian newspaper reported.

“President Musharraf is using his favourite weapon – lies,” Bugti told the Hindu newspaper in a satellite-phone interview from his headquarters at Dera Bugti town in Pakistan’s volatile southwestern Baluchistan province.

“His objective is to defame the legitimate demands of the people of Baluchistan.”

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Musharraf said in a weekend interview with an Indian television channel that there was proof that nuclear rival India was providing support to the tribal insurgency in Baluchistan.

Indian involvement, he added, included “financial support” and “support in kind”.

The elderly, white-bearded Bugti, however, flatly denied the charge.

“What is the need for us to take anything from anyone,” he asked. “The weapons we are now using flowed into this region when the United States financed the jihad (holy war) in Afghanistan,” he said.

“It was the Inter-Services Intelligence which distributed them to Afghanistan, Iran, Jammu and Kashmir – and to us in Baluchistan,” he added, referring to the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence agency.

The cost of acquiring weapons was minimal because of their easy availability, he added.

In the latest violence to rock the province, Pakistani forces shot dead 12 suspected tribal militants Wednesday after a roadside bomb blast killed three soldiers, a government official said.

Opposition parties in Baluchistan accuse the government of using helicopter gunships and warplanes to rocket and bomb civilians.

India said last month it had noted these allegations with concern and said it hoped Islamabad would show “restraint”.

Musharraf responded by saying he was “annoyed” and “disappointed” by the statements.

New Delhi has a strategic interest in Baluchistan as a proposed gas pipeline from Iran to India is slated to pass through the region.

Bugti warned that Baluchistan insurgents would continue attacks on both existing and future pipelines.

“India-Pakistan peace is something for them to deal with, not us. We want our rights – a fair share of the revenues from our country’s resources,” he told the Hindu.

The arch-rivals began a peace process two years ago which has so far produced a number of largely symbolic steps, including cross-border bus services and the resumption of sporting ties, but progress has been sluggish on central issues, including their bitter dispute over Kashmir.

Baluchistan tribesmen have waged a revolt against the central government in the province during the past year and a half, targeting government installations, railway tracks and gas facilities with bombs and rockets.

They are demanding a bigger share of the region’s natural resources and jobs in state projects as well as more political rights, and they also oppose the setting up of military garrisons.

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When did ISI start arming nationalists? :mudhosh:

If i remember right, these bugtis and marris were USSR allies agasint the ISI / CIA nexus that was working with afghans against the Soviets.

Somebody is supplying him or if not, then he needs to answer what he is doing with his royalty money!

Balochis are dirt poor and ill advised to buy weapons over food!!!

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In regards to that point, what makes them different from the rest of Pakistan, including the Army govt?

The whole reason the Blaochi's are fighting is so outsiders stop stealing from their land, as any people would do.

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The point here is that there is foreign hand and nawabi interest in BLA!

Don't try to change the subject!
If we want to discuss right / wrongs then india should be very ill-advised considering indians in much more numbers are dying bhooka nanga!

I have read many stories like one where a girl killed herself (suicide) just because her mom wouldn't give $$$ for biscuits!

If the indians manage to sweep it aside under "India shining" propaganda, then it doesn't mean that India ACTUALLY IS SHINING! ;)

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The Balochi's are not fighting at the behest of the Indians. It is a struggle initiated and sustained by Balochi's. A little help from India would go nowhere if the Balochi's themselves weren't aggrieved.

Many people want to shout 'RAW!!! as a way of demonising these people fighting for their rights, and to ignore the genuine issues that exist.

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Baluchistan’s largest province, Kalat, remained independent for a full year after Partition. Pakistan eventually annexed it through force. The Khan of Kalat also wanted to join India but Congress refused. The lack of contiguous borders was the reason offered by Congress for its refusal. The violation of this principle in accepting East Bengal as part of Pakistan did not trouble the Congress. **
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Moreover when Z A bhuto was pounding baluchistan liberation force in 74 Sardaar Bugti used to be be Islamabad's point man and in fact he was deputed as the chief of baluchistan by Bhutto, the same sardar bugit today is with baluchistan liberation force, and that tells there is genuine concern. Without concern no nationalist becomes separatist within span of 30 years. Don't be surprised even today's Mushy's man in balushistan becomes separatist in next decade or so........


It's like Farooq Abdullah in kashmir joining Kashkar-e-Toiba.. Mushy can't shove it under carpet saying it's indian hands in all this....


Separatism may be supported from outside but there has to be genuine concern for this to survive for close to 50 years...

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Can you tell me when and where Khan of Kalat said to join India?

I mean BLA and bugti aside, the balochis and pathans hate indians!!!
They used to fight wars against you.. :hehe:

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Don't be surprised by this after-all NWFP plebiscite was very close .. Khan Abdul gafafr Khan was as much anti pakistan idea as one could get ..

Look at history books u will see and do choose some independt writers..he is certainly ot alive and i certainly don't have him on tape and if one start looking for this for verification no history can be verified..

Congress lost its footing only when it started advocating land-reforms which was anathema for lanlords in pakistan region and even till this day sradars chaudharys are clinigng on to their land.. As per Irfan Hussain of dawn 80% of land in pakistan belongs to hardl couple fo thousand of sardaars......I am saying all this just to point out that congress was not abhorred before its land-reform policy days...

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what a bunch of losers! now you blame India for Balooch also? haven't learnt a thing from BD have you! This is the Pakistan elite pattern - keep mistreating and insulting a region; then when they explode, blame India and ignore! when it gets worse send in the army...next thing you know army is shooting at people it's supposed to protect...and end up with one more new country in the region...

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Just replace everywhere indian mention and replace it with Pakistan and ISI to get the indian mentality! :rolleyes:

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You didn’t tell me why india forcefully occupied states like hyderabad, goa, sikhim, manipur, tripura, junagadh among others? :rolleyes:

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^^ Keep in mind that most Bharhathees are brainless lemmings who ONLY listen to what their government has to say, and are incapable of rationalising situations logically. This is the reason that they have no Asmaa Jahangeer in Indoostan crying wolf on Kashmir abuses, and atrocities commited by the Bharhathee army in other parts of Indoostan like Assam, Manipur etc. Kowtowing to the government line is how they're brought up, see for generations they've also been dancing to the brahmin's whims, so it's kinda genetic for them. ALSO notice that before the "peace process" began, you wouldn't have found many Indoos on this site. Just as their government gave the feelers that "it's OK to talk to Pakistanees", wham, the floodgates let lose a huge pool of brainwashed lemmings out on these forums. Can't blame them -- there are a billion of 'em after all. :D

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force was used only in case of hyderabad that to because that nabab started butchering hinu populace keeping the btradition of islmist from mhd bin kasim to aurangjeb alive hence india had to interven... junagrh had plebiscite.. sikkim goa ..dude not even single miliatry visited that place so how come it became froceful occupation.. lat time i checked there was not even a token separatist rganistaio either in sikkim or goa.. manipur was always part of india .........

and yes e are talking about here peaceful umma showering its own people with helicopter and fighter planes , can you point out even a single even in whole history where a country's army uses this kind of fire power agsinst is own people .. well anoher precedence could be bangaldesh operatipn f pak army..........

are u gusy even a ashamed a wee bit............

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^^Manipur was always a part of india....You say so........
How about Arunachal...Chinese claim it too....& You are illegaly occupying a chinese region...

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claim even saudia arabia cal claim but claim remains a claim........
anyway we are discussing here baluchistan and pakiarmy air frce using fighter planes to crush presumably its own people which would be first of its kind if u ignre bangaldehs operation once agin of same pak army...........

so how does umma unity hold... two nation theory was areayd in bay of benal now it is in danger even in west pakistan...........

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^why are you crying wolf when "you have been doing worst " for years....

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nope no indian airforce dd carpet bmbing on civiian population heck no country ever did this on their own population....... pakistan and its peaceful army has created a very very dubious precedence.........

and yes why does it hurt u pal now u have been doing moral lecturing on human rights this and that in kashmir so why not implement that in baluchistan.......

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I doubt your cognition....J&K(Occupied,70,000 civilians murdered,oh ya it's not a part of india,that's why they aren't indian citizens)...Punjab(sikhs butchered...golden temple destroyed)...Gujarat genocide(modi murdered 3000 muslims)...what else do u need to be reminded??...i won't reply you in a trail black responses anymore....as your knowledge seems obsolete to me....