Re: Balochistan crisis & its resolution!
Where are the mischievious sardars of balochistan now?
Sitting in Switzerland, UK and UAE, or sitting in their palaces in Balochistan, Karachi or ISB or Lahore, thinking whatelse to be done to make life more miserable for their tribesmen
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Preparing for the confab: President asks Balochistan governor to mediate
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Sitting in Switzerland, UK and UAE, or sitting in their palaces in Balochistan, Karachi or ISB or Lahore, thinking whatelse to be done to make life more miserable for their tribesmen
So what can the government do to free the poor baloch's from the shackles of the sardar's who are already not in balochistan?
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i don’t know if you can read or if you will read it now, because it looks like you are in copy paste business only…
here is what i posted :
read the last para…
Isn’t there was a rule in PA/WA section that whoever is posting articles must write what he want to discuss and/or his comments, i don’t know if that is applicable on mods, who just copy and paste and leave…
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NO one has stopped the government of Pakistan frome exposing these sardars nationally or internationally (Oh I thought Balochistan is Pakistan's internal matter) , if after all these operations and the government driving them from their strong holds they have not been able to drive the people from the sardars it shows that the government itself is weak.
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^ liberate some part of baluchistan from claws of these sardars and make that part an exmple for baluchs ...
so they help GoP against these sardars.........
Re: Balochistan crisis & its resolution!
BACKGROUND:
**It is not widely known nowadays but in 1972 a resolution was moved in the Balochistan Assembly demanding that the Federal Government abolish the Sardari, the Jirga System and the Tribal System since the Provincial Assembly did not have the authority to do so. The Federal Government took no action in this regard and about eight months later, on 14th February, 1972 the National Awami Party (which was responsible for presenting the resolution in the Assembly) Government was overthrown and a military operation was launched in Balochistan.
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On 8th June, 1972 Miss Fazila Aaliyani moved a motion demanding “The eradication of the wrongs spread due to the presence of exploitationary institutions such as the Sardari, the Jirga System and the Tribal System so that the Province of Balochistan may progress socially and economically.”
This was followed by speeches made by:
1- The Education Minister Gul Khan Nasir (NAP) (in support of the resolution).
2- Maulvi Shams-ud-din (JUI) (in support of the resolution)
3- Maulvi Mohammad Hassan (JUI) (asked to impose shariat to replace the sardari system)
4- Abdus Samad Khan Achakzai (NAP Pukhtunkhwa) (against the resolution) (objected on the wording used in the motion)
5- Leader of the Opposition Jam Mir Ghulam Qadir (Ind) (against the resolution)
6- Mir Shahnawaz Khan Shaaliyani (Ind) (against the resolution)
7- Mian Saifullah Khan Paracha (PPP) (against the resolution)
8- Provincial President of NAP Sardar Khair Bakhsh Marri (in favour of the resolution).
(End of Session)
**On 21st June, 1972 Leader of the House Sardar Ataullah Mengal presented a resolution:
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**“Now, that the Tribal System has lost its advantages keeping it instated is going to act as a hurdle in the development of the people of these tribes. And the large amounts of annual allowances being given to the royal families (of the states which merged with Pakistan) and the Sardars are putting undue pressure on the country’s economy. Therefore, the Sardari system should be abolished in all parts of Pakistan (in whichever form it exists) and the annual allowances to former royal families be discontinued. And all the responsibilities of the Sardars be transferred to other institution just like in the other parts of the country.”
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The resolution was followed by speeches by:
1- Leader of the House Sardar Ataullah Mengal (NAP)
2- Khan Abdus Samad Khan Achakzai (NAP-P) (opposed the resolution)
3- Leader of Opposition Jam Ghulam Qadir (Ind) (opposed and asked if shariath would be imposed instead of the Sardari System like Maulvi Mohammad Hassan Shah had suggested
4- Senior Minister Balochistan Government Gul Khan Nasir (NAP) (supported the resolution and said that after abolition of sardari system there is no need for imposition of shariath)
5- Mian Saifullah Khan Paracha (PPP) (opposed)
THOSE IN FAVOUR:
1- Mir Ahmed Nawaz Bugti
2- Sardar Ataullah Mengal
3- Sardar Abdur Rehman Baloch
4- Mir Chakar Khan Domki
5- Mir Dost Mohammad Khan Baloch
6- Fazila Aaliyani
7- Mir Gul Khan Nasir
8- Sardar Khair Bakhsh Marri
9- Maulvi Mohammad Hassan Shah
10- Maulvi Saleh Mohammad
11- Nawabzada Sher Ali Khan Nosheerwani
THOSE AGAINST:
1- Jam Mir Ghulam Qadir
2- Mohammad Anwar Jan Kethran
3- Mian Saifullah Khan Paracha
4- Mir Shahnawaz Shaaliyani
---------------------------------------------------------------The June 8th speech of Gul Khan Nasir is given below, translated from its original Urdu into English.
Mir Gul Khan Nasir (8th June, 1972)
Mr. Speaker! Four things have been pointed out as hurdles to the economic and social progress of Balochistan in this resolution. These are: Sardari, The Tribal System, The Jirga System and all other measures by means of which the people of Balochistan have been, and are still being, exploited.
Mr. Speaker! As far as Sardari goes, there is no doubt that back when Balochistan was still in the tribal age, this (Sardari) might have been beneficial for the people but later, when the British came and decided to annex Balochistan as a part of their Empire, they realized that the only tool they could use to do so was the Sardar whose word was the law for his tribe. So they started to buy off the Sardars of the various tribes. And from that day onward, instead of seeing himself as a representative of his tribe elected to serve them the Sardar began viewing himself as their master and them as his slaves. As a result of this, the natural process of our national progress was impeded. The biggest obstacle presented by this situation was that the Sardar could never tolerate one of his tribesmen to get an education and to one day be able to sit alongside him and speak with him as an equal. Thus, in all those areas where the Sardari was strong the people remained illiterate, unable to get jobs and ignorant of their rights. The direct result of this was that they were forced to obey their Sardar’s every command whether right or wrong. Here I think it is worth mentioning that the very first movement against the Sardari sytem in Balochistan was instigated by the son of a sardar, Mr. Yousuf Ali Khan Magsi. He was the first person to realize the flaws of this institution so he highlighted them and did everything in his power to try and abolish this system. Today the Balochistan we see which is ripe with a widespread sense of political awareness is entirely due to the sacrifices made by him and his colleagues.
Mr. Speaker! As I said before, Sardari in the beginning, wasn’t a parasitic institution but when the Sardars became the agents of an imperial power the integrity of this institution began deteriorating. With the passage of time, and a newfound sense of political awareness, some knights rose from within the ranks of the Sardars and tried to destroy this castle of oppression and succeeded in diminishing its influence. But despite this, we do not wish to keep this rusty skeleton of the Sardari system as a monument or memorial of the past because as long as this institution remains (even as a vestige) it will keep our nation divided into various tribes and sub tribes which will render it impossible for us to achieve economic progress. Therefore, the main objective of presenting this resolution is to completely eradicate from the face of this earth, the disease stricken Sardari system which is taking its last breaths. The second thing is the Jirga System which is paramount for Sardari. Without it the Sardari System cannot thrive and vice versa.
Mr. Speaker! Today, there are many members sitting in this House who know first hand that the Jirga System just fifty years ago wasn’t as it is today. Back then it was like a naked sword ready to strike down those enlightened few who refused to be subordinate to the Sardars. And in those days subordination to the Sardars was infact, subordination to the British. If the Jirga indicted a rebellious person from a certain tribe for standing up against his tribe’s Sardar, the Sardars of the other tribes would aid and partake in the sentencing eagerly from fear that if they didn’t do so then their subjects might also rebel against them one day. The Jirga was therefore used by our Sardars to deny the people their rights. So, the Jirga without a doubt is a great obstacle in the way of the independence and progress of the Baloch people.
Then there is the matter of the measures being taken to exploit the people of Balochistan.
Mr. Speaker! The measures I am talking about are the award of most of the resources, businesses and jobs in Balochistan to non-locals. So while the local population of Balochs and Pashtuns remain unemployed a majority of the jobs are occupied by people who are not inhabitants of this region. And this process started a long time ago. e.g. I remember that up until 1937 almost 99% of the jobs in Balochistan were held by non-locals. At that time almost all the businesses here were owned by them (the non locals) and all the minerals being extracted from mines such as the Degari Coal Mines were profiting them. I, myself, had the opportunity to go there (DCM) while in service of the Princely State of Kalat, and saw that the around twenty mines which were located there, all were owned by non locals. So, all the wealth generated from the natural resources of Balochistan was being used to crush the Independence Movement in Kalat and the British Balochistan. Even today we see the fruit of the seeds that had been sown by the British being reaped by the Capitalist Class that has emerged in Balochistan. These Capitalists exploit the natural resources of Balochistan and utilize the revenue generated from them towards expanding their Mills and Factories. Most of these people are the descendants of those traitors who aided the British in enslaving the people of Balochistan and exploiting them. In conclusion Mr. Speaker! Let me say this: capital, be it of a Baloch, a Pashtun or an inhabitant of any other place is insidious to the progress of nations because the means employed to gain certain ends in the capitalist system benefit only certain individuals. Therefore, instead of a single individual benefiting from the resources of a region I think it would be more befitting if the nation as a whole benefited from them. Now, seeing as we don’t have much time, with these words I conclude my speech and support the resolution.
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NO one has stopped the government of Pakistan frome exposing these sardars nationally or internationally (Oh I thought Balochistan is Pakistan's internal matter) , if after all these operations and the government driving them from their strong holds they have not been able to drive the people from the sardars it shows that the government itself is weak.
This is the one of the most lame thing i ever heard...
do you even know how many districts are there in Balochistan?
Do you even know how many districts have problem and what is the Geo-political situation in those areas???
and i am sure you even don't have any idea why the baloch youth is angry with Pakistani govt... why, simply because the copy-pasters do not think they just keep pasting whatever comes their way....
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The government is carrying the carrot and stick policy in Balochistan for the past 8 years, so how many more years will be required until the province is brought fully unedr control??
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^ liberate some part of baluchistan from claws of these sardars and make that part an exmple for baluchs ...
so they help GoP against these sardars.........
This is exactly why Pashtoon and Hazara and to some extent Makrani youth is angry at GoP.... that why Govt. of Pakistan is not taking action against these parasites who do nothing but shag themselves day in and out...
The common method by these sardars is they order any of the tribesmen to commit a crime, such as attack on Security forces, exploding gas/oil facilities, or disturbing the power transmission... if these tribesmen dare not to oblige, they and their family have to face wrath of these sardars and if they follow what is being told then they get abducted/killed in retaliation from the forces... in either case sardar makes his point...
and due to this, the economic development does not take place, hence no or very little area for the development for the youth, then they either have to head to Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore or ISB if not out of country or they have to live with the little things life have to offer while looking at the sardars crying foul and eating everything they receive in their name...
The problem is far more complex then it is stated, it is same what we have in Southern Punjab, Interior Sindh and in FATA
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There are 30 districts in Balochistan out of which some Northern disrticts are pashtun dominated ( no problem there) there are five districts where the violence is there, and its increasing with the passage of time instead of winding down. It is also spreading now to the areas where there is no tribal system.
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Re: Balochistan crisis & its resolution!
There are 30 districts in Balochistan out of which some Northern disrticts are pashtun dominated ( no problem there) there are five districts where the violence is there, and its increasing with the passage of time instead of winding down. It is also spreading now to the areas where there is no tribal system.
and now would you care to name those five districts out of 30 and also would you tell us which tribes are there???
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Nothing has more attraction for a common man than peaceful life and opportunities..........
There is no religious obligation for baluch to fight against GoP...
so give them peace and opportunity........
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and now would you care to name those five districts out of 30 and also would you tell us which tribes are there???
Dera Bugti (Bugtis)
Kohlu (Marris/Mengals)
Jafarabad (Jamalis)
Naseerabad (maybe Mengals)
Khuzdar
Turbat
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Dear Bugti is number 5
KOhlu is number 14
Naseerabad 23
Jaffarabad 8
Kech or Turbat is 11
Khazdar 13
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**People of Balochistan want freedom from Sardars: Muhabbat Khan Mari**
**As a US lawmaker tabled bill in the House of Representatives, espousing self-determination for Balochistan, Pakistani media has been airing string of programmes and holding debates on the issue with several Baloch leaders sharing their views on how to redress the miseries of people of Pakistan’s southwestern province
** In an interview with a local Urdu daily published here on Tuesday, senior Baloch leader and provincial minister Muhabbat Khan Mari has said that Baloch separatist leaders were responsible for all the problems facing the people of Balochistan.
He says it seems absolutely ridiculous when Baloch Sardars like Attaulluh Mengal, Akhtar Mengal, Nawab Khair Bux Mari, Barhamdagh Bugti and Herbyar Mari speak about rights of Balochis as they were who exploited the nation. He said had there been people support for Herbyar Mari, there would have been his influence in at least three Tehseels of the province.
Muhabbat Mari claims only five percent of people have been supporting the separatists. He says every Baloch child is ready to shed his last drop of blood for Pakistan. When asked to elaborate situation in Kohlu district, deemed as stronghold of separatists, he said on the one side there were 180 million people of Pakistan while on the other hand only handful of terrorists and still the government of Pakistan seemed to be failed in controlling the miscreants. “Seeking separation is not new for this Sardars,” he said and added Khair Bux Mari lived in Russia for 20 years while his son Herbyar Mari had also been living in Europe. “They have no influence in Kohlu district despite they offered Rs10, 000 to jobless youth to join them,” he said. Mr Mari added that he knew financial status of Mari separatist Sardars and they could not purchase weapons.
“Now they are having weapons and living in expensive cities like London.How come deprived Balochs live such a luxurious lives”. He said Herbayar Mari had spent time in a London jail and was released after Rehman Malik’s efforts. When asked to comment on excesses with Baloch, Mr Mari said it was beyond any doubt that excesses were committed not other than Baloch Sardars who ruled the province as governors and chife ministers. “I ask them what measures they took for providing basic amenities, education and employment to Baloch people,”. He said Sardars were responsible for injustices as they tried to make Balochis their salves. He recalls the past and says** Nawab Mehrullah Mari, father of famous Baloch leader Khair Bux Mari, didn’t allow British government to open a primary school in his area some 95 years ago. He said the Sardars wanted to keep people away from education.**
Answering a question whether Baloch separatists could achieve their goal through US intervention he said: “Even father of this terrorist will not be able to achieve this goal”. We will free people of Balochistan form the shackles of this Sardars and our children would scarify for the integrity of Pakistan. He also denied that any military operation was going on in the province. Mari said India was funneling arms and money to terrorists in Dera Murad Jamali, Sibbi, Kohlu and Makran through Afghanistan.
Now if look back in the history of Balochistan, almost all the Mengal, Bugties etc ruled the province and what did for the betterment of the Baloch people??? any hints?
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The most active insurgent groups in Balochistan at present include BLA, BRA, BLF, BLUF & BSO (maybe Azad):
Baloch Liberation Army: led by Barhmdagh Bugti and mostly active in Dera Bugti and Kohlu
**Baloch Republican Army: **led by Sahiv Baloch and active in Dera Bugti, Naseerabad and Jafarabad
**Baloch Liberation Front: **led by Allah Nazar Baloch, his followers include middle class educated people mostly active in Turbat and Khuzdar
**Baloch Liberation United Front: **Not much information available on the group, was involved in the kidnapping of john Solecki and Khair Baksh Marri appealed for his release
BSO (Azad): Formerly led by Allah Nazar Baloch now led by Basheer Zaib Baloch and areas of activity include Pajgur, Turbat and Khuzdar
I could not find any information about the group which Hyrbyar Marri is commanding (maybe BLA with Brahmdagh?), Mengals also dont seem to have an insurgent group (BNP).
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Nawab akbar ali bugti was a minister right?
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Nawab akbar ali bugti was a minister right?
He was governor of the province in 1974, and was elected Chief Minister in 1989.