Balochistan crisis & its resolution!

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of all the problems and evils associated with pakistan's feudal system, empowerment of baluch sardars is what drives your opposition to it?

india abolished feudalism on a pan-india basis, not strategically in a problematic state. feudalism in punjab and sindh is much more destructive to pakistani society than a handful of baluch sardars.

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Yes, why should we empower these parasites? Feudalism in punjab is basically getting limited to southern punjab as punjab urbanizes over time. I think ending feudalsim in sindh might be a bigger problem as it is very entrenched and there is not much urbanization or a sindhi middle class compared to punjab.

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Why dont you listen to freedom of speech? Why dont you look at a problem from another persons eyes? When did Pakistan and inetgrity ever sit in the same sentence? No country has the right to commit genocide in its own country.

You cannot be any friend of any Baloch as you have no idea of what their thoughts and feelings are. Your nationalism is creatign the sort of Pakistan which will fall apart very soon. It is that typical army fed garbage about Indian and American sponsored yet the same army is being trained by the Americans and giving most favoured nation to Indians. LOL

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In Punjab it is the military officials, industralists, mullahs who have power. Feudalism is not the only problem in the Indus plains. You have other sort of isms as well which reflect the dominance of the rich over the poor.

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How sad. I hope he lives to tell the story but sadly no one will listen. Pakistanis feel that their army is perfect and cannot do any wrong. They forget 1971. Our army is not islamic or for the service of the Ummah as it was formed and even today trained by Westerners.

Most Pakistanis seem content slating Zardari and the PPP. They love doing that. Maybe the people should protest about the army and ask it to stop interfering.

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Really? I didn't know Pakistani army was formed to be "islamic" or render "service of the Ummah." We get it you hate the army. That's ok. You just don't need to come up with the ridiculous fanciful stuff.

And if training or associating with the West was such a bad thing why don't you move back to wherever you came from? Hypocrite much?

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Saving Balochistan

By Editorial
Published: January 30, 2012

**The failure to adhere to Article 9 of the Constitution — which refers to the right of every citizen to life and liberty — in Balochistan is all too evident and has created a state of crisis in the province. Furthermore, the situation is worsening with every passing year. The fact that thishas been taken up by the Supreme Court as an urgent matter is welcome, though there may be some Baloch who may think that it has taken the apex court long to do this.
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**Significantly, the three-member SC bench hearing a petition moved by a former president of the Balochistan High Court Association has sought detailed reports on missing persons in the province from the ISI and the MI. The key to the matter may lie here. Human rights monitoring groups have alleged that such agencies are behind the atrocities in Balochistan — where women lament the disappearance of brothers, sons or husbands, and mutilated, tortured bodies turn up regularly at street corners across the province.

The key issue, of course, is that looking back through our history, it has been impossible to bring such agencies to account; from behind the shelter of their secret worlds they seem able to do as they please, without any questions being asked or any real pressure on them to justify their actions. It will be interesting to see if the SC bench headed by the chief justice can alter this reality and draw out some kind of confessions as to where these persons really are and who detains them illegally. According to the petition, some 5,000 persons are missing in Balochistan. This is no small number; things simply cannot continue in this fashion.
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The IB and the government of Balochistan have already submitted reports, with the court already rejecting the one submitted by the IB. It is to be seen if the agencies controlled essentially by the military do the same. The SC has also summoned the attorney-general to the next hearing and asked why the federal or provincial governments are doing nothing. We certainly need to know and also establish a tradition of accountability for all agencies which operate in our country. Let us see if this can happen as this important case proceeds.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 31[SUP]st[/SUP], 2012.

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Nothing on the Pakistani media as usual, but as per baloch tweets six Pakistani check posts have been attacked in balochistan in which they are claiming 35 soldiers have been killed and 8 captured. This needs to be confirmed, but at least 25 fc people have been killed there during the previous three weeks, considering the recent incidents it seems that the war with the passage of time is getting more and more intense instead of fizzling out as per our army.

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I think since this govt came into power that the FC casualties have gone up. I wonder if this govt is holding their hands back?

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I am not saying associating with anyone is a bad thing. Do take the time to read properly. I am talking about the self righteous image the Army tries to propagate and then behaves differently.

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Actually, you should try to read and understand your own tirades. Who was lamenting that the not-so-Islamic army is "even today trained by Westerners?" Like most people here, I could care less what you think about the army, or anything else for that matter. It's only the mendacious and ridiculous assertions that I take exception to.

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[note]Guys please stick to the topic, if you have got to discuss India or any other country please feel free to open a new thread for that![/note]

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http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\02\02\story_2-2-2012_pg3_1

**EDITORIAL: Balochistan: a self-fulfilling prophecy
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**The Balochistan Assembly passed a resolution against the brutal murder of MPA Nawabzada Bakhtiar Khan Domki’s wife and daughter in Karachi. A complete shutter-down strike was observed all over Balochistan to condemn their murders. The Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) claimed responsibility for a retaliatory attack on four Frontier Corps (FC) checkposts near Margat coalmine area in which at least 15 FC personnel were killed and a dozen sustained injuries. This attack, according to the BLA spokesman, was in reaction to the murders of the Domki women.
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Karachi is no stranger to target killings and it seems that this horrible trend along with bhatta (extortion) activities have started again after a brief lull. But the murder of Balochistan Republican Party (BRP) chief Brahamdagh Bugti’s sister and niece in Karachi was unlike any other target killing. The claim by the Karachi police that this could be the result of a ‘tribal feud’ could not be further from the truth. It is highly unlikely that women and children would be targeted even in a feud between the Baloch tribes. This is completely against the culture of the Baloch. Reasonable suspicion thus arises that this was not the work of any Baloch tribe but our own intelligence agencies that are busy harassing and assaulting the Baloch.

The murder of Mr Domki’s wife, daughter and driver is political, and there are genuine reasons to speculate that it is related to Brahamdagh Bugti, who is one of the leaders of the Baloch resistance movement and has often been hounded by our military and its operatives. So far, they have not been successful in extraditing him from Switzerland, where he has obtained political asylum. Killing his sister and niece could be one way of sending him a chilling message. It also points to the military’s callous attitude towards all norms of humanity. Women, children and old people are not deliberately targeted in wars. What kind of a despicable regime is this that would kill women and children in cold blood just to make a point? The police are still clueless about the murderers but they must investigate properly and get to the bottom of this horrific incident. No words can do justice to the sense of outrage at this atrocious crime.

It seems that there is now a sinister plot to hunt the Baloch outside Balochistan too. In December 2011, Faisal Mengal — a Baloch activist — was killed in Karachi. The death of two Baloch females along with their driver in Karachi also points to this new ‘trend’. The military’s ‘kill and dump’ policy in Balochistan has wreaked havoc in the lives of the Baloch. The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) recently pointed out that “…the [Pakistan] military and its spy agencies have supra-constitutional authority to deal with the Baloch people, who are struggling for their constitutional rights of self-rule in the province”. The policy of eliminating members of the Baloch resistance movement, moderate nationalists, intellectuals and youth has led to more hatred and more alienation in the province. Now this policy is seemingly being extended to women and children. Independence from Pakistan is now being demanded openly all over Balochistan.
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The death of two Baloch women will certainly stoke the fire even more. Nobody can blame the Baloch for this demand given the atrocities being committed against them every single day by our military. Even the veteran Baloch leadership has nothing to offer the disgruntled Baloch youth fighting in the mountains because of the criminal military operation. The military’s highhanded policies have hardly left any space for a political solution now. The federation is definitely in trouble.**

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BLA kills 15 soldiers near Quetta

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Aren't soldiers from the army?

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What do you mean? I think they have basically killed fc people.

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I guess it is just words but to me soldiers mean that it was jawans of the army. At least it is not that bad compared to when people would tell me that Frontier Corps was an army division and FC actually meant Frontier Constabulary, so the reason for their patheticness.

Btw, I am not surprised it happened considering how much little we protect these guys in terms of armor. They were still traveling in those open pickups from the last pictures I saw an year or so ago.

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it is sad but more and more these days, in all countries, even traffic cops need to wear armor and carry a machine gun.

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During the past one week, according to the government 35 FC people have been killed and as per the militants 55 FC people have been killed, with the passage of time it seems the militancy is gaining momentum instead of dying down:

Six FC personnel killed in Dera Bugti attack

Balochistan insurgency: 14 FC troops killed in Turbat ambush

15 soldiers killed in Balochistan: Officials

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There is a formula in my thread about new provinces .
Perhaps that could be very helpful .