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I might know more about the current affairs then you might have read in Dawn. Sindh and Balochistan existed before Pakistan was even an idea.
Anyways just watch and learn.
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The only lesson of 1971 was that we did not have sufficient firepower present and we did not adequately prepare for foreign intervention from across the border.
The amount of firepower that Pakistan can now bring to bear is now many, many times greater than what was available in 1971.
There are no neighbouring states willing to shed blood for Balochistan. If the traitors continue to display the impudence to defy Pakistan, then they will stand alone. Unlike the Bengalis, they cannot call on their foreign overlords to come riding to the rescue over the border. Iran may be backing the traitors, but no one can seriously expect Iran to ever get involved in a direct military conflict with Pakistan, especially given the US pressure on Tehran for the past few decades.
There will be no 1971s in Balochistan - the situation is radically different to East Pakistan. Unlike that province, if Balochistan goes into rebellion, then there are no geographical boundaries to prevent the full might of Pakistan being brought down upon it. It is not separated by a hostile nation from Pakistan.
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Irem all the way!!! We're with ya on this one too irem!
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Another genocide in the making…
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If all provinces of Pakistan were to think the same way, then what do we need the center for. The central goverment is there for a reason. Sure Baluchistan has a lot of natural resources, but they are adequately compensated for those. The bugtis get millions in royalties for the Sui fields. How many paisas out of those billions have been spent on the local population by the waderas?
And frankly, if Pakistan lets them be, then the next thing that will happen is infighting. The baluchi tribes will kill each other to death. The bugtis will sit on their gas, whereas the murrys will sit on their coal. The mazaris will sit on their apple farms, and with no trade to live by, they will resort to looting and plundering, since everyone there has a kalashinkov anyway. Much of that is already happening as we speak.
The widespread illiteracy in Baluchistan is the second biggest cancer afflicting this province…the biggest cancer being the tribal waderas.
Baluchis need to stand up for themselves, not against the center, but against their suppressive waderas. Blowing up power grid stations, rail tracks and marketplaces is terrorism, and they are only killing their own fellow baluchis. The brainwashed segment of the population must wake up, or else face the consequences.
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Sardari system in Baluchistan is fostered and supported by Pakistan govt. Even u got Baluchistan not thru a democratic vote, but by bribing their sardars. Even occupation and utilization of their mineral resources was possible thru bribing the sardars. I have yet to see govt spending even 10% of the Baluchistan income on schools, streets, water, electricity and gas for the common ppl.
u blame sardars when it suits u, and support them when it suits u. Much like American attitude towards dictators in Arab world.
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full might of pakistan ahahahhahahahahahahahhah lol even with a nuke it takes orders from others like a hired b*tch. We saw full might when 300 were leveled by bunch of cave dwellers in 4 weeks.
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Sardari system
Is the typical stereotype and excuse of Pro-Elite-baba-e-qoom goons. There is no reason to have a Sardari system but the fact that all these Sardars are supported by the government it never goes away. It worked for the British and it works for qoom-e-baba.
What you see now is the few amongst the illiterate masses of these provinces who got some education asking questions and demanding rights. Imagine what will happen if all these areas came out of 99% illiteracy stages? They will sh*t on the rest of Pakistan because you can get RICE from anywhere for pennies but coal, steal, gas, minerals and what not hold more value then GANA and CHAWAL.
Baakistan has little time to behave and get it straight. Information is reaching every corner of the world, with that materialism. Self interest before nation interest or Ummah interest, especially if a nation is ran by a specific class or creed.
Start bending over if you want to save Pakistan, otherwise you will break.
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Your pathetic display of jingoism that I should now come to accept from the pro military dictatorship class of Pakistan. Your support for the 1971 genocide of Bengalis is not only repugnant but unislamic but I’m sure you know that and I don’t need to tell you who was wrong in 71.
Yes, I agree Balochs are far less in number and do not have any country around them to save them from the fascist plans of a few deranged generals. But as Logo pointed out, what they have now is the information age and you can no longer try to hide genocide as you could before. But still I fear for the future of Balochs with the colonial policies of the Pakistan Army in full swing.
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Are you crazy there is no support from other countries?
Iran, India and now the new American baby Afghanistan are enough support and might to get these people fired up and running. What will Pakistan do, nuke it's own people? Good, that's what these people want in the first place. There is a lot more support then there ever was. It used to be one country when it came to Bangal, now there are 3 nations that has something against Pakistan. US is not fancy over China, nor over a Muslim country with a nuke. Enough reasons and support out there.
The little US support Pakistan is getting will die and Pakistan will be kicked to the curb like all other times, F-16s my ass.
It's easy, bend or break.
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Dear Irem, by what criteria are you saying that Balochistan is YOURS? By all international norms, Balochistan belongs to the people of Balochistan, not to the people of Sindh or Punjab. Just like Palestine belongs to the people of Palestine, Iraq to the Iraqis, Kashmir to the Kashmiris. Pakistan is a 50 yr old political entity while Balochistan is a 100’s of years old land and Pakistan does not succeed Balochs or anyone else are within their God given rights to go their own way. It is the nature of freedom and self-determination that colonists and occupiers do not understand. Pakistan has failed not only Balochistan but all the 4 nations within its borders time and time again and there is a limit to people’s patience.
I will not go into the details of the crimes of the army against Balochistan since I have done this many times before and you all know them even if you pretend not to.
AS for your question, tell me why the government of Pakistan supports such corrupt sardars like the Jamalis and Bugtis in the first place? And anyway it is the states responsibility to provide schools, hospitals, and help the flood victims, not sardars.
And Logo is right, it is the educated middle class of Sindh and Balochistan, people like Dr. Hayee Baloch and Rasool Bakhsh Palijo who are the voice of the people and are calling for end of the authoritarian and undemocratic rule of Punjab over all of Pakistan.
So tell me how many Sindhi or Baloch generals are their and what is the number of Balochs and Sindhis in the army? And please don’t tell me Musharraf is a Sindhi, he cannot even speak Sindhi, nor has he lived in Sindh for any length of time. Exposing an institution that is corrupt and colonial in its thinking is the right of every PATRIOTIC Pakistani and if you really consider yourself as one, you will search for the truth and expose the crimes of the army against its own people. And your arrogance is your refusal to accept the facts and try to portray all Balochs asking for rights as sardars or their supporters.
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Can we have opinions of some of blaochi brothers who joined GUPSHUP before 2004. Its strange all members who seems to be Balochis are joined all after mid or end of 2004.
it may be my observation. no offence to anyone.
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I am a Sindhi of Baloch ancestory. I don't think you will find a Baloch from Balochistan on a Pakistani forum. I don't understand your question of joining in 2004?
Also, Balochi is the language and Baloch are the people. You can visit www.balouch.com for Baloch forum if you want to.
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Thanks sadiqaan,
I was alos thinking that why every thread started by you is against Pakistan. is there nothing positive about Balochistan as part of Pakistan?
the joining 2004, cause all who object to Balochistan unity within Pakistan sruprisingly joined the gupshup in 2004 almost sametime when the recent insurgnecy started in Balochistan.
so thats why I was asking someone who has joined GS before this time. so we may be able to get some feedback from pre 2004 joiners.
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I was already a member of many Sindhi and Baloch mailing lists but I wanted to make sure others in Pakistan were also aware of the situation since it seemed they were not. I do not know what or why others joined at the same time.
And I am not against Pakistan. It is Pakistan's rulers that have turned against the ordinary Sindhis, Balochs, Punjabis and Pashtuns and the people are just responding as they know how to.
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it isnt so black and white is it.
some army officers gangraped a lady doctor working in Sui, and the army is protecting them. now its become a political issue.
and yet the army protects these animals because they’re officers. dharti key Khuda banain hein sab. :disgust:
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every department has black sheeps but pak army is suppose to be above the law and never admits if they can do it wrong, punish this captain and tell the public , they will be satisfied. instead of protecting these ba$tards and creating more hatred for whole army.
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plebiscite may be?
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Yeeeeey! :- )
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Why would the president of a country take sides in a rape case before any verdict is passed or case is decided. Oh because he is not only the president, he is also in the army. 
Shameful…