Re: Baloch Hindus File Political Asylum Petition In India
Then I guess Christians were burning and destroying their own houses and lives in Gojra last year. There were no Mullahs on the loudspeaker telling their followers to kill every Christian in the area.
I already said cities like Karachi are very tolerant and was referring to small towns and villages.
Minorities will never be safe in Pakistan until the blasphemy law is repealed. Ahmadis have it worse in Pakistan, Zia's constitution openly discriminates them and they have been persecuted many times.
BTW please understand that Qaid e Azam and the other founding fathers never wanted religion to play a role in politics. Qaid e Azam was secular.
And secularism does not mean becoming an atheist!
Look my dear friend, I am not here to defend stupid people and illiterate people.
But let me say one thing.
Illiterate muslims are no different than illiteraste Hindus in India and Illiterate hateful Christians like in Florida (the christian religious person) or those who killed countless muslims in Euorope in a hateful war.
Again try not to bring an issue when there has not been an issue.
Muslims, Christians and Hindus have been living in harmony in Pakistan for decades. Even a Hindu person was appointed as CJ in Pakistan.
Give credit when it is due. Do not be a hypocrite or spread hate.
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The most ignorant post on this thread.
Pakistan was a country made for MUSLIMs of Northeast and Northwest British India. There is a key difference between who state was made for and it’s political orientation. For example, you have Turkey with 95%+ Muslims yet is secular in governance. It is pretty clear that the Quaid, himself from a Muslim minority background, would have preferred.
Your ridiculous assessments fly contrary to reality where a poor Christian women is under the threat of death penalty most because some illiterate “muslim” women got angry because she touched their stuff.
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Riddle me this batman, how can a counrty created on the basis of religion, or the individually of that faith consider itself secular. The identity and raison d'etre of Pakistan is Islam. If it was not for the push of a separate religious homeland for Muslims, Pakistan would not have been created.
Re: Baloch Hindus File Political Asylum Petition In India
Riddle me this batman, how can a counrty created on the basis of religion, or the individually of that faith consider itself secular. The identity and raison d'etre of Pakistan is Islam. If it was not for the push of a separate religious homeland for Muslims, Pakistan would not have been created.
Well batman, the reason is that pak nvr was created for ISlam or in its name. Your smart empugh to know that. Pak unfortumately has been taken over pseudo islamic opppurtunists.
Re: Baloch Hindus File Political Asylum Petition In India
Riddle me this batman, how can a counrty created on the basis of religion, or the individually of that faith consider itself secular. The identity and raison d'etre of Pakistan is Islam. If it was not for the push of a separate religious homeland for Muslims, Pakistan would not have been created.
There is a distinct difference between an Islamic state versus a state created for the followers of Islam. A few points:
The vast majority of the ulema of British India opposed the creation of Pakistan. Even Maududi opposed the creation of a distinct Muslim country.
Most of the leadership of the Pakistan movement, was Western trained and largely secular in outlook. During the time of the partition, the political establishments of both countries had not expected such a large population exchange purely on communal basis. Had the minorities of Pakistan not left for India, we would 60 at most 70% Muslim.
Now lets shift gears and talk about Islamic States. These states are Islamic because theology dictates their political orientation:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Afghanistan (Taliban)
Although Pakistan has an "Islamic Republic" in front of its name and a close counterpart, the Israelis calls itself the Jewish state, in reality, both countries are run on British law with a few modifications. As much as many Pakistanis would hate to admit this, the Pakistan movement and the Zionists were not that different in their goals of creating a state to protect a minority population.
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So called secular countries do show HATRED and INTOLERANCE against religious people. No secret.
Can you give an example of such secular countries?
By the way, the religious right in the US uses similar arguments against secularism, with phrases such as the imaginary"War on Christmas" conducted by secularism. Your arguments will find plenty of sympathy with the right wingers and Tea Partiers, who IMHO are quite intolerant of minorities.
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And you think that news item makes Pakistan a bad place for Christians or non muslims in general?
Real ignorance is when someone is glued to TV or News like this to make a judgmenet.
I already said there are illiterate people everywhere (not good)...remote areas of any country are filled with them.
Again, you have no clue about what you are talking about. Since the 1980s, life for minorities has become progressively worse, after 9/11 it has become horrible due to the terrorists and Islamists.
I think that you incorrectly assume that I am basing this in TV or news. I have seen the mistreatment of Pakistani Christians from my very eyes. Pakistani Christians in some parts of Punjab are treated like Dalits, where they are considered to be lower human beings. In reality many of these Pakistani Christians were originally lower caste Hindus, who were not only mistreated by Hindus but also Muslims, so their forefathers opted for Christianity which offered them a better life and salvation. THAT is the historical basis for many (but not all) Christians in Pakistan.
A strong Pakistan will be one where ALL Pakistanis irrespective of religion, ethnic background will be treated with fairness and have the opportunity to better their lives. Although it is NONE of your business but I speak as Pakistani-Muslim-Sunni-Hanafi. My faith is the predominant faith of Pakistanis and we refuse to be sidelined by these extremist, so-called "Muslims" who have appointed themselves the guardians of the faith and set forth a torrent of hate towards Pakistani Shias, Hindus, Christians, Ahmadis, and others.
My only criteria for a Pakistani is how patriotic is he/she towards the country, the rest, in the tradition of Quaid E Azam, is no longer relevant. Pakistan Zindabad!
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^ Has been discussed extensively before. Freedom of religion can be and should be given regardless of the law of the country weather based on religion or not. Giving freedom to all religions does not make a country secular. But purely secular countries do not give freedom to all religions..take France as example where religious people cannot express their religion in public.
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Can you give an example of such secular countries?
By the way, the religious right in the US uses similar arguments against secularism, with phrases such as the imaginary"War on Christmas" conducted by secularism. Your arguments will find plenty of sympathy with the right wingers and Tea Partiers, who IMHO are quite intolerant of minorities.
Exactly.
I find it ironic that many of the same people who condone the oppression of minorities in their home countries, talk about minority rights while living or traveling to the West. Religion should be a personal matter, and not infringe upon the functions of the State.
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Wow. So what was the reason for Pakistan's creation it wasn't for the Muslims for the Indian Sub-continent to have a country to practice their faith?
Yeah it was for Muslims. Not for Islam. You can be a Muslim in a Muslim majority state, and still have a secular govt.
Who said anything about Muslims not being allowed to practice their faith? Jinnah said clearly, your free to go to your temple Mosque or Church, but none of that is the business of the state. Meaning the govt does not endorse a state religion.
Pakistan was made for the sake of providing Muslims of India political, economic, and social empowerment, not a base to establish an Islamic theocracy.
Re: Baloch Hindus File Political Asylum Petition In India
Yeah it was for Muslims. Not for Islam. You can be a Muslim in a Muslim majority state, and still have a secular govt.
Who said anything about Muslims not being allowed to practice their faith? Jinnah said clearly, your free to go to your temple Mosque or Church, but none of that is the business of the state. Meaning the govt does not endorse a state religion.
Pakistan was made for the sake of providing Muslims of India political, economic, and social empowerment, not a base to establish an Islamic theocracy.
Bingo.
How dare the descendants of those who called our great leader, Kafir e Azam, try to control the agenda?
Pakistan is a muslim majority state, deeply religious but not extremist. Who gave these Islamists the right to make decisions for all of us? No one! The backlash is growing and the political ideology of Pakistan will not be subverted by those forces masquerading as Muslim yet oppressing those who are in the minority.
The government should worry about rebuilding from the flood damage, providing our people with jobs and increasing our output before getting involved in religious matters. I see our energies wasted on an agenda that is dividing the nation.
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Pak-one and Med911 so when Israel was created it wasn't created for Judaism but for the Jews right? That should be considered a major difference. Oddly enough Israel is defined as a Jewish state. Hmm...weird.
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Again, you have no clue about what you are talking about. Since the 1980s, life for minorities has become progressively worse, after 9/11 it has become horrible due to the terrorists and Islamists.
I think that you incorrectly assume that I am basing this in TV or news. I have seen the mistreatment of Pakistani Christians from my very eyes. Pakistani Christians in some parts of Punjab are treated like Dalits, where they are considered to be lower human beings. In reality many of these Pakistani Christians were originally lower caste Hindus, who were not only mistreated by Hindus but also Muslims, so their forefathers opted for Christianity which offered them a better life and salvation. THAT is the historical basis for many (but not all) Christians in Pakistan.
A strong Pakistan will be one where ALL Pakistanis irrespective of religion, ethnic background will be treated with fairness and have the opportunity to better their lives. Although it is NONE of your business but I speak as Pakistani-Muslim-Sunni-Hanafi. My faith is the predominant faith of Pakistanis and we refuse to be sidelined by these extremist, so-called "Muslims" who have appointed themselves the guardians of the faith and set forth a torrent of hate towards Pakistani Shias, Hindus, Christians, Ahmadis, and others.
My only criteria for a Pakistani is how patriotic is he/she towards the country, the rest, in the tradition of Quaid E Azam, is no longer relevant. Pakistan Zindabad!
I do not think most Pakistanis share this feeling. Most Pakistanis want a Sunni Pakistan where they can live in peace without having to tolerate other religious minorities. Such a Pakistan can become practically a province of Saudi Arabia.
